Forest Hunters Deserve To Be Ganked

I'm white signing in the forest tonight with the intent of trolling gankers from the other side of invasions and I've met some hosts who actually don't gank but rather want some backup for when two hunters show up.

The problem is,hunters now are as impatient and nasty as the guys we once made fun of for ganking.When faced with a host fighting an invader alone and me waving,turning into a tree and and spinning in circles or me taking my binoculars out to stare at them,they do one of three things;try to stunlock me to death,BS fish me or run to the host and gank him/her.

I don't really like saying this but catbros are just as bad as gankers if not worse,any who have ever messaged me complain about the ganking and yet everyone does it to the hosts.What has this game come to?



Edit:

I am NOT complaining that people gank,I AM saying that invaders have made it necessary to gank to avoid being ganked.

A thread like this was already made and iirc it got locked,  Meh,  I guess it's not the first or last time there's been repeat threads and people arguing the same thing over and over again.

I am a total noobarse, but I got a catbro character and well, you're gonna get a gank 50% of the time when Alvina calls. So what courtesies do you expect? Even bowing hosts/phantoms are trolling half the time and if the fight goes sour the phantom will get pot healing and/or the host will start moving towards your back. 

If you want chivalry, well, there's the burg for that.

This thread?

Welcome back.

Let's skip to the end. Both sides fight dirty

And generalizations deserve to be qualified. Most Forest Hunters are very suspicious of any 2v2 and I personally wouldn't try to see if the other ganker was "trolling" or a "fun guy" before I tried to kill them. The forest is a free for all and you screw around at your peril.

its the forest, it's where people go when they wanna be asshats regardless of "side", just call 'em some politically incorrect epithet or other and move on.

This isn't meant to start an ideology flame war,just an observation from a verteran forest hunter.

9/10 players I see invading are as bad as the worst gankers.But it's awesome when you meet the one guy who isn't.I was summoned,started doing the Skulled Shuffle and the host immediately understood and got his bows out.We had some invader try to BS fish the host,every BS he did,I BS'ed him back until he died.

Then we met an awesome invader.Some would be nervous to see two guys standing a few feet from their spawn but he knew better,off went his clothes and out came his bows.

The point I'm making with the thread is that the Forest Hunter covenant used to be good,we were taking down the gankers who were fighting unfair for easy souls.Now it's all business with angry,hatemailing players who take it too seriously and have no fun.I used to really look down on ganking but now it seems rather necessary in the forest and we have made it so.Maybe this thread is pointless as everyone either disagrees or already knows but it's news to me.

When i have a bad day, i take a high level build, equip SNB buff, hornet ring, and a rapier. 

I then wait for invaders and parry/backstab them to hell. 

Yesterday i was fighting two invaders, and the first 3 npc's at the same time. Long story short, they all ended up dead. I also got hate mail from both invaders. 

Me - 1
Catbros - 0

Gank, don't gank the choice is always yours.

From the mouth of Tolvo.

No group is perfect, try not to generalize, be civil.

Animaaal wrote:Gank, don't gank the choice is always yours.

 To be crystal clear on the point of the thread,a certain group of people love to complain about being put up against two players at once.Said people do it right back,even when unprovoked.I believe that is uncool and said people deserve the ganking they claim to hate so much for being hypocrites.

The players that are indifferent are fine,no issues there.

I've had plenty of catbros complain to me when we failed or sometimes succeeded in an invasion about how cheap gankers are,yet very few people are above doing it when they get the advantage.I think they all just want to win too much and it is a game after all.Is winning in a video game so important that one should act out and behave unpleasantly?

I won't even go into the whole hatemail thing,we'd need a whole other thread but I will say I've never understood what possesses people to treat others so badly over a game.

All covenants have an abilty the hunters is they get summoned to the forest in close proximity and most host go to the forest to gank one before the other shows to get souls

Krazy now you are generalizing.  Unless you are seeing specific people that complain to you about the concept of ganking, then you are just assuming that those that complain also gank.  I do not like ganking, and I do not like to gank.  You will not witness me ganking, stop stereotyping.  

In my book, no one deserves to be ganked.

I dont gank ive been a hunter forever im not saying i wont gank but in my experience 9/10 the host is ganking

Damn, I wasn't trying to say anything other than what I said.

This is now in order:

This thread is on thin ice as it is, but whatever let's see where this goes.

KrazykevS10 wrote:\Then we met an awesome invader.Some would be nervous to see two guys standing a few feet from their spawn but he knew better,off went his clothes and out came his bows.

The problem with this is not everyone likes to just mess around in pvp. Yeah it's fun sometimes, but most of the times when I'm playing I'd like to enjoy the combat. It has nothing to do with being "awesome" or having a play-to-win mentality. If I see people do stuff like that and I try to kill them I'm not being angry or trolling, I'd just like you to fight me, which is why I invade in the first place.

KrazykevS10 wrote:\ The point I'm making with the thread is that the Forest Hunter covenant used to be good,we were taking down the gankers who were fighting unfair for easy souls.Now it's all business with angry,hatemailing players who take it too seriously and have no fun.I used to really look down on ganking but now it seems rather necessary in the forest and we have made it so

First off who is "we?" I am an avid forest hunter and, although sometimes I can't help myself, I hardly ever gank. Most of the times I do is because I'm trying to stand to the side and watch the fight and the host keeps trying to BS me.

Second, the whole idea of hatemail and raging is nothing new or recent to Dark Souls. Some of the first invaders I ran into would kill me then say something like "SUCK MY D--- B----!!!!" If anything, it's increased because it's summer and more people are playing.

Third, if you look down on ganking then don't gank. Simple as that. If you get killed by two invaders just reflect on what worked and what didn't then revise your strategy accordingly. Sometimes invaders will push you to be resourceful and use everything at your disposal, including the environment. Is this bad? Not at all. It makes pvp much more interesting and adds some strategy to the game.

Fourth, the forest has always been a place where rules go out the door. Without making this a thread about pvp etiquette, just keep in mind that "honorable" pvp only exist to those who have the same definition of honor as you. Some people have no problem with ganking, and other hate it immensely. If you are in an area known for ganking, then just expect it.

None if this is to be read in an aggressive way at all. I'd just like to throw some points out there for consideration.

beautifully said andres I hunt for the pleasure of fighting i dont care if your ganking or bowing it makes no difference there are no rules in the forest I come to fight in the forest because here people go all out. + 1 andres

Should I change the title to "Most Forest Hunters I have personally played with deserve to be ganked"?

I'm not stereotyping anyone,I've seen the same players very often and this is about MY experience,I'm not trying to pass it off as some well researched fact.It is an opinion and should only be taken as such.I haven't seen much in a few thousand forest invasions that would tell me otherwise so it isn't exactly a conclusion I came up with overnight.

Feel free to discuss your own opinions whether you agree or disagree but I ask that you respect mine and do not question it.You might also note the gamertag in my signature or more what console it means I have,this obviously only applies to Xbox.

You're gonna get ganked in the forest. Period. You don't have to go into the forest. I used to be totally against the forest for that simple fact. I have a couple Dks buddies i work with and they do nothing but summon each other, and sit in the forest and wait for invaders. They have a blast doing so. They come to work and say "YO! We were in the forest for like 5 hours straight last night." I just say "Awesome, i'm glad you guys had fun." Some people don't take Dks that serious.

Me on the other hand, never ganked, and never will. Why do something to someone, when i wouldn't want someone to do it to me. Imo, the best part of the forest IS the ganking. Sometimes, playing against 2+ people really gets your blood pumpin. It keeps you on your toes and brings out the real skills in you. If you cannot defend yourself properly, you will die. And that's when people get mad about ganking.

If you faced gank squads and never died, none of these "F&$^ GANKERS" threads would exist.

I guess it's just the simple fact people don't know what to do when facing more than one opponent. Maybe people should face more gankers, and learn how to put up with it, instead of complaining about something you can't, won't and never will be able to change.

I'm really struggling to get my point out there clearly.

I hate ganking but I've never been bothered making a thread just to say that because it would be a waste of space as this seems to be since I'm not being clear enough.

I have no problem beating gank squads,I win 4/5 fights so nothing to complain about there.I simply think that the no rules approach is taken a bit too seriously by invaders now,it has made ganking necessary to survive at all in the forest.I'm speaking as a forest hunter,it is our fault they gank.

I have no interest in discussing whether ganking is right or wrong since it will happen no matter what I or anyone think.Some people like to be ganked for the challenge,others do not,it's purely up to preference.

To recap,I am NOT complaining that people gank,I AM saying that invaders have made it necessary to gank to avoid being ganked.I'm quoting this in the OP.

If it was just an observation, there was no point in making a thread about it.

Everything you think about the covenant or group is purely your own perspective, and the only thing in Dark Souls where perspectives mean anything is the lore.

This is not an argument or a code of morality, the forest is essentially a game mechanic that is specifically designed to invoke this kind of PvP and behavior.

Ganking itself isn't even a negative thing, it is yet another game mechanic that just so happens to make people mad, so they tend to perceive it as such.

There is no meta game in the forest, whatever "no rules" approach people take is their own deal, and people can do whatever they need to in order to deal with it. If that means ganking, then they gank. If they can deal with it on their own, they can deal with it like that.

KrazykevS10 wrote:I have no problem beating gank squads,I win 4/5 fights so nothing to complain about there.I simply think that the no rules approach is taken a bit too seriously by invaders now,it has made ganking necessary to survive at all in the forest.I'm speaking as a forest hunter,it is our fault they gank.

I have no interest in discussing whether ganking is right or wrong since it will happen no matter what I or anyone think.Some people like to be ganked for the challenge,others do not,it's purely up to preference.

To recap,I am NOT complaining that people gank,I AM saying that invaders have made it necessary to gank to avoid being ganked.I'm quoting this in the OP.

If you win against gankers so much then ganking as an invader is not "necessary to survive."

The irony behind you stating that the "no rules" is being taken to seriously is that you yourself are taking it too seriously as well.

TooLeet wrote:Some people don't take Dks that serious.

This is golden. A lot of people just play it every so often with a bud, and one of the easiest ways to coop is ganking.

I think your argument is a bit convoluted. Again, not trying to be rude, it's just that currently this is going nowhere because we refute your points and you tell us that's not what you are trying to say.

Maybe you just wanted to rant a little? No shame in that, I'm guilty of doing so as well. Just try to be a little clearer so this doesn't go in circles.

WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:https://soulswiki.forumotion.com/t5027-why-the-forest-hunters-deserved-to-be-farmed?highlight=deserve+farmed

 Point taken,I'm going to mysteriously disappear now.Toodles!

What if I told you, when i'm forest hunting, I WANT to get ganked? One of the most boring things to happen in dks pvp for me is to invade in the forest all pumped up and ready for some free-for-all action and then there's some random dude hosting alone and looking for 1v1 pvp. Looking for 1v1 pvp in an area where you can get invaded by two other players at the same time... I don't understand. If you want duels, don't go to the forest. Applies for both, invaders and hosts.