by Yukon Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:49 pmThanks acidic, I never let him live long enough to charge me, and it was difficult to tell with all the white glow that comes from a phantom, I equiped my character with the partizan and compared them and they seemed the same from a distance.
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I suaully have to look up eveyrthing to see. I was curious if the spear was a unique attack only to him. However it is not the case, as the pike is buyable from Andre.
The red sage is probably the third sealer of New Londo. it would make sense that they removed the mask, as he (or she) forsook New Londo. The third sage is dead in blighttown, where you can obtain the healers spell.
The red sage is probably the third sealer of New Londo. it would make sense that they removed the mask, as he (or she) forsook New Londo. The third sage is dead in blighttown, where you can obtain the healers spell.
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I am pretty sure he is a male, not only does he not shriek upon death but I think he has the "wavy" hair style you can pick at character creation.
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If you look at the image he doesn't have breasts, it's a male. Also I always found it interesting that they all have that fall negate spell on them. Most likely just to make sure you can't constantly trick them into falling to their death, but always worth a look. Also he uses the Tin Banishment Catalyst, if not for the mask this mage uses their entire gear set.
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Thanks for the pics Yukon +1. As with some of my info the reason I think he's hunting darkmoons is that I remember someone else writing it somewhere and it being agreed upon. It does make sense though. He is in dark anor londo, waiting in an empty hall. Hes waiting for something so appaear in front of him. The most likely scenario is DM hunting.
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Interesting enough though, Lautrec mentions in his dialogue that he has more of an interest in humanity. As well, there was Acidic's speculation of his possible feelings against or towards Seath, as he is found in two areas with channellers, one with a dragon, and then in Anor Londo where Seath has a large influence.
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Cant remember that. Is it in his search for lore thread?
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Okay, so people say Lautrec frees himself, but he disappears from the cell after Oswald appears who seems to come from Carim.
Lautrec was obviously not able to free himself.
Oh, still human are you?
Then I am in luck. Could you help me?
As you can see I am stuck, without recourse.
When you free him, he says he hasn't a reward yet which indicates that he gets the medal somewhere after you free him and meet him at Firelink again.
Yes, very sorry, but your reward will have to wait.
I have just been freed. Allow me some time.
He also awaits a decision of the player, does he hunt Lautrec (revenging the Firekeeper) or leave him be.
Hm, you again? What is it?
Our futures are murky. Let's not be too friendly, now.
Uhh, so now there are actually two possibilities for his "greedy sentence" at Firelinnk and his later "moth to the flame" senctence.
The interesting thing here is, that he doesn't seem to use humanity, like he says:
Maiden Thorolund and her followers recently arrived in this land,
but she became stranded deep below the Catacombs.
Her followers either fled, or were reduced to Hollows… Leaving Maiden Thorolund all alone.
Not a bad tip, huh? A nubile cleric would be replete with humanity…
When he knows that, why doesn't he go after her humanity himself, unless his "busineness" in Anor Londo is more important. Makes me think, his quest is serious business after all. But he points that out to the player, maybe he thinks the player is someone who is just after Huminty, knwoing Lautrec killed the Firekeeper, the player goes after Lautrec to get the harvested humanity. Like a moth to the flame, the Black Eye Orb was a trap.
Ahh, I heard it from a fleeing old man.
That poor bastard! All his robes and trinkets won't help him now!
Eh? What fleeing old man? Need some help here, Petrus doesn't seem so old, or is that a reference to the disorted timeline?
By the lords… Your face…
Hmm… Your humanity is really slipping.
But there are methods. Most fools have more humanity than they know what to do with.
Now, who do you imagine will make the best use of it, hmm?
Uh, like I wrote before I don't even think Lautrec is an undead even if he says so. Actually the
player invades him, which means he's human (stupid fact, ignore it. You invade undead players in PVP who just restored their humanity) . My guess is that he knows what's going on, and he's on a mission to kill the Firekeepers and prevent kindling the fire and kill all those who try including the player. (He doesn't kill the fake Firekeeper in Anor Londo)
That would explain the Black Eye Orb. Interesting to note here is that I actually doubt the Age Of Dark affects all gods. Gwyn is the ruler, he linked the Fire for a second time because he feared a switch of Power trhough the Age Of Dark. If Fina is the Goddess of Love and Protection, then it could mean she's pro humans. Also Gwyenevere = Fina theory.
He doesn't consume the Firekeeper Soul, which grants humanity, he also leaves or ignores the Firekeeper Soul in the Church. Or he's undead and needs humanity like
everyone else and the Firekeeper Souls, who are his target anyway, can
serve his cause by killing them for humanity. But it really doesn't look
like he's using it.
Also together with the dialogue part I quoted before and this one:
Well, where have you been?
I am glad to see you are safe
He seems to actually care about the player.
" Well, look at you. I thought you were wiser, but I thought wrong!
Tis a terrible pity. Like a moth flittering towards a flame. You
fellows? No? Don't you agree?"
For who the followers are, I have no idea but it seems it's not their first time killing someone who used the Black Eye Orb.
"So, here we go again! How many times will these lambs rush to slaughter? Well, let's get it over with."
Why doesn't he like Patches...? And how did the Firekeeper serve him before he kills her?
"That Keeper has served me well, but… enough with her…"
Sorry if all that has been already written. I'll dig the whole thread later.I doubt his companions have a real meaning, but they help him, not for the first time. Doesn't look like he just after humanity since he has followers that help him.
Lautrec was obviously not able to free himself.
Oh, still human are you?
Then I am in luck. Could you help me?
As you can see I am stuck, without recourse.
When you free him, he says he hasn't a reward yet which indicates that he gets the medal somewhere after you free him and meet him at Firelink again.
Yes, very sorry, but your reward will have to wait.
I have just been freed. Allow me some time.
He also awaits a decision of the player, does he hunt Lautrec (revenging the Firekeeper) or leave him be.
Hm, you again? What is it?
Our futures are murky. Let's not be too friendly, now.
Uhh, so now there are actually two possibilities for his "greedy sentence" at Firelinnk and his later "moth to the flame" senctence.
The interesting thing here is, that he doesn't seem to use humanity, like he says:
Maiden Thorolund and her followers recently arrived in this land,
but she became stranded deep below the Catacombs.
Her followers either fled, or were reduced to Hollows… Leaving Maiden Thorolund all alone.
Not a bad tip, huh? A nubile cleric would be replete with humanity…
When he knows that, why doesn't he go after her humanity himself, unless his "busineness" in Anor Londo is more important. Makes me think, his quest is serious business after all. But he points that out to the player, maybe he thinks the player is someone who is just after Huminty, knwoing Lautrec killed the Firekeeper, the player goes after Lautrec to get the harvested humanity. Like a moth to the flame, the Black Eye Orb was a trap.
Ahh, I heard it from a fleeing old man.
That poor bastard! All his robes and trinkets won't help him now!
Eh? What fleeing old man? Need some help here, Petrus doesn't seem so old, or is that a reference to the disorted timeline?
By the lords… Your face…
Hmm… Your humanity is really slipping.
But there are methods. Most fools have more humanity than they know what to do with.
Now, who do you imagine will make the best use of it, hmm?
Uh, like I wrote before I don't even think Lautrec is an undead even if he says so. Actually the
player invades him, which means he's human (stupid fact, ignore it. You invade undead players in PVP who just restored their humanity) . My guess is that he knows what's going on, and he's on a mission to kill the Firekeepers and prevent kindling the fire and kill all those who try including the player. (He doesn't kill the fake Firekeeper in Anor Londo)
That would explain the Black Eye Orb. Interesting to note here is that I actually doubt the Age Of Dark affects all gods. Gwyn is the ruler, he linked the Fire for a second time because he feared a switch of Power trhough the Age Of Dark. If Fina is the Goddess of Love and Protection, then it could mean she's pro humans. Also Gwyenevere = Fina theory.
He doesn't consume the Firekeeper Soul, which grants humanity, he also leaves or ignores the Firekeeper Soul in the Church. Or he's undead and needs humanity like
everyone else and the Firekeeper Souls, who are his target anyway, can
serve his cause by killing them for humanity. But it really doesn't look
like he's using it.
Also together with the dialogue part I quoted before and this one:
Well, where have you been?
I am glad to see you are safe
He seems to actually care about the player.
" Well, look at you. I thought you were wiser, but I thought wrong!
Tis a terrible pity. Like a moth flittering towards a flame. You
fellows? No? Don't you agree?"
For who the followers are, I have no idea but it seems it's not their first time killing someone who used the Black Eye Orb.
"So, here we go again! How many times will these lambs rush to slaughter? Well, let's get it over with."
Why doesn't he like Patches...? And how did the Firekeeper serve him before he kills her?
"That Keeper has served me well, but… enough with her…"
Sorry if all that has been already written. I'll dig the whole thread later.I doubt his companions have a real meaning, but they help him, not for the first time. Doesn't look like he just after humanity since he has followers that help him.
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Ok so you've got a lot so forgive if I miss/misinterpret some.
It all depends on how long Lautrec was trapped. If he was in the cell for a long time then yes, Oswald probably freed him. However if he was only in there a short time its possible he freed himself, just too him a little to work the lock.
Here's a connection. Perhaps he got the medal from the old man covered in trinkets. It could be Dom but Dom does not have robes. Oswald though, does have robes, hmm.
He may use humanity, he just may not be willing to put in the effort going all the way down into the tomb to get it. Th effort would be wasted and as you say, his other business is more important. Note that he occasionally disappears implying he's off doing stuff.
The most likely id for the old man is Petrus. There are no corpses that appear after you free him showing that whoever it was is probably still alive. It also implies he;s trapped somewhere and his trinkets cant get him out of that situation now. Dont forget it may not be a physical trapping, Petrus may now be stuck in Lordran because if he left to go back to the WoW he would get in trouble.
Whose the fake firekeeper in anor londo? The age of fire would affect all the gods realted to the lord souls. All these gods came when then age of ancients ended. Its unlikely any gods existed before the age of fire however they may have, just been in hiding after losing to the dragons. The point is its hard to believe any god, apart from velka but thats got a whole theory behind it, would want the age of fire to end. He may be collecting the firekeeper souls as trophies or need to hand them over to Fina. You also invade as a SoV. DMs also invade as SoVs so we cant be sure its specifically black eye orbers he is waiting for.
He seems to believe you have the wisdom to follow his path. He is glad to see you safe because he believes your on his side for then.
Patches is famed for tricking people into death. Its possible he met patches previously, in fact Patches could be the reason he's in the cell.
He may be talking about the firekeepers bonfire serving him, allowing him to respawn there and heal up.
We havent done anything on Lautrec I dont think. He was one of the 4 who started the thread and I redid him on a whim.
It all depends on how long Lautrec was trapped. If he was in the cell for a long time then yes, Oswald probably freed him. However if he was only in there a short time its possible he freed himself, just too him a little to work the lock.
Here's a connection. Perhaps he got the medal from the old man covered in trinkets. It could be Dom but Dom does not have robes. Oswald though, does have robes, hmm.
He may use humanity, he just may not be willing to put in the effort going all the way down into the tomb to get it. Th effort would be wasted and as you say, his other business is more important. Note that he occasionally disappears implying he's off doing stuff.
The most likely id for the old man is Petrus. There are no corpses that appear after you free him showing that whoever it was is probably still alive. It also implies he;s trapped somewhere and his trinkets cant get him out of that situation now. Dont forget it may not be a physical trapping, Petrus may now be stuck in Lordran because if he left to go back to the WoW he would get in trouble.
Whose the fake firekeeper in anor londo? The age of fire would affect all the gods realted to the lord souls. All these gods came when then age of ancients ended. Its unlikely any gods existed before the age of fire however they may have, just been in hiding after losing to the dragons. The point is its hard to believe any god, apart from velka but thats got a whole theory behind it, would want the age of fire to end. He may be collecting the firekeeper souls as trophies or need to hand them over to Fina. You also invade as a SoV. DMs also invade as SoVs so we cant be sure its specifically black eye orbers he is waiting for.
He seems to believe you have the wisdom to follow his path. He is glad to see you safe because he believes your on his side for then.
Patches is famed for tricking people into death. Its possible he met patches previously, in fact Patches could be the reason he's in the cell.
He may be talking about the firekeepers bonfire serving him, allowing him to respawn there and heal up.
We havent done anything on Lautrec I dont think. He was one of the 4 who started the thread and I redid him on a whim.
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*Coughs* Old man in robes who is trapped? Doesn't that sound a bit like Logan?
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And scrolls, catalysts and books could be seen as trinkets. But why would he know about Reah being trapped in the tomb?
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Logan doesn't really have trinkets though... Where as both oswald and petrus have many items to sell.
Logan just has his hat and his know-how I think.
EDIT: Lawl, I never thought of magic as scrolls. I just thought they gave you a lesson for some reason.
EDIT EDIT: I think petrus is pretty old.. I mean if you look at him he has like crow's feet going on. He always stuck me as atleast in his 50's
Logan just has his hat and his know-how I think.
EDIT: Lawl, I never thought of magic as scrolls. I just thought they gave you a lesson for some reason.
EDIT EDIT: I think petrus is pretty old.. I mean if you look at him he has like crow's feet going on. He always stuck me as atleast in his 50's
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Another good question is how Lautrec got through Sen's fortress and Anor Londo. How skilled is this man, if he is almost on par with the Chosen Undead?
Also something interesting of note, Siegmeyer uses the Red Tearstone Ring.
Also something interesting of note, Siegmeyer uses the Red Tearstone Ring.
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Doesn't Sig use the blue tear ring?
That one was not made in Carim suprisingly only one of the rings was.
Blue tear:
"Rare Gem called tearstone has the uncanny ability to sense imminent death.
This blue tearstone from Catarina boosts the defence of its wearer when in danger."
Red tear:
".... This red tearstone from Carim boosts the attack of its wearer when in danger."
That one was not made in Carim suprisingly only one of the rings was.
Blue tear:
"Rare Gem called tearstone has the uncanny ability to sense imminent death.
This blue tearstone from Catarina boosts the defence of its wearer when in danger."
Red tear:
".... This red tearstone from Carim boosts the attack of its wearer when in danger."
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That was what confused me, I swore it was the red ring, as he did more damage to me, and he had a slightly red glow.
I'm wondering if that might just be an error though.
I'm wondering if that might just be an error though.
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Well we've finally goten to the point where I feel I need to say - I will not be doing sections on Andre, Solaire or Siegemeyer UNTIL we have an id on the god of war. Without knowing who it is there is too much speculation that gets in the way.
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I could be wrong, I have never fought sieg, so I have never seem him use a ring. You probably know better than me, its just the item description I wanted to bring up.
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What's odd is I hadn't actually seen it go off when he died to the poison, or chaos creatures in Izalith, only when I attacked him in Firelink which confused me. I'll try and attack him at different phases.
Dough, may just exclude anything relating to the God of War from them? Solaire, warrior of Sunlight. Sieg, adventurer. Andre, Blacksmith. Keep it simple, and adjust it if anyone ever agrees on who it is, and finds concrete evidence. So never.
Dough, may just exclude anything relating to the God of War from them? Solaire, warrior of Sunlight. Sieg, adventurer. Andre, Blacksmith. Keep it simple, and adjust it if anyone ever agrees on who it is, and finds concrete evidence. So never.
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Its not really as if anything discussed here is every fully concrete either. We may come to better understandings, but in no way are they 100% foolproof.
I personally don't see a problem with discussing why each may be, or just doing what tolvo said and judging them as what they are simply and see where that takes us.
I personally don't see a problem with discussing why each may be, or just doing what tolvo said and judging them as what they are simply and see where that takes us.
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Blacksmith Hammer-"Metal hammer of Andre of Astora, blacksmith at the Old Church.
Can be used as a strike weapon, but better left in the hands of its talented owner."
Crest of Artorias-"This crest opens a door in the Darkroot Garden sealed by ancient magic.
The door leads to the grave of Sir Artorias the Abysswalker. Many adventurers have left for the grave, but none have returned, for they make easy prey for local bandits. With such dangers, the crest can do more harm than good in the hands of the uninitiated."
Caestus-"The weapon augments one's bare hands with thick, studded leather.
The Caestus has a short reach, but quick cool down. Amount of damage inflicted is dependent on its wearer's strength."
Divine Ember-"Ember required for weapon ascension.
Divine embers are property of the church,
and intended for divine blacksmiths.
Ascends +5 standard wpn to divine weapon.
(divine weapon can be reinforced to +5)
Divine weapons are for Undead hunting. Use
against Undead and the pawns of necromancers."
Large Divine Ember-"Ember required for weapon ascension.
Large divine ember, of secret church rites.
Intended for select divine blacksmiths.
Ascends +5 divine weapon.
Allows reinforcements to +10,
on par with the very weapons of the Gods."
Large Ember-"Ember required for weapon ascension.
A large, high-quality ember.
Handled by the blacksmith of Astora.
Ascension for +5 standard weapon.
Allows reinforcement to +10.
Also, can ascend +5 std wpn to raw wpn.
(raw weapon can be reinforced to +5)"
Very Large Ember-"Ember required for weapon ascension.
Huge ember of highest quality.
Handled by the blacksmiths of Astora.
Ascension for +10 standard weapon.
Allows reinforcement to +15,
on par with the greatest weapons of legend."
Dark Ember-"Ember required for weapon ascension. The church long hid the forbidden black ember, and no living blacksmith knows of it.
Ascends +5 divine weapon to occult weapon. (occult weapon can be reinforced to +5)
Occult weapons were used to hunt the Gods, and are effective against their followers and kin."
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Andre of Astora
Come on, you all knew I had to do Andre.
Can be used as a strike weapon, but better left in the hands of its talented owner."
Crest of Artorias-"This crest opens a door in the Darkroot Garden sealed by ancient magic.
The door leads to the grave of Sir Artorias the Abysswalker. Many adventurers have left for the grave, but none have returned, for they make easy prey for local bandits. With such dangers, the crest can do more harm than good in the hands of the uninitiated."
Caestus-"The weapon augments one's bare hands with thick, studded leather.
The Caestus has a short reach, but quick cool down. Amount of damage inflicted is dependent on its wearer's strength."
Divine Ember-"Ember required for weapon ascension.
Divine embers are property of the church,
and intended for divine blacksmiths.
Ascends +5 standard wpn to divine weapon.
(divine weapon can be reinforced to +5)
Divine weapons are for Undead hunting. Use
against Undead and the pawns of necromancers."
Large Divine Ember-"Ember required for weapon ascension.
Large divine ember, of secret church rites.
Intended for select divine blacksmiths.
Ascends +5 divine weapon.
Allows reinforcements to +10,
on par with the very weapons of the Gods."
Large Ember-"Ember required for weapon ascension.
A large, high-quality ember.
Handled by the blacksmith of Astora.
Ascension for +5 standard weapon.
Allows reinforcement to +10.
Also, can ascend +5 std wpn to raw wpn.
(raw weapon can be reinforced to +5)"
Very Large Ember-"Ember required for weapon ascension.
Huge ember of highest quality.
Handled by the blacksmiths of Astora.
Ascension for +10 standard weapon.
Allows reinforcement to +15,
on par with the greatest weapons of legend."
Dark Ember-"Ember required for weapon ascension. The church long hid the forbidden black ember, and no living blacksmith knows of it.
Ascends +5 divine weapon to occult weapon. (occult weapon can be reinforced to +5)
Occult weapons were used to hunt the Gods, and are effective against their followers and kin."
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Andre of Astora
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- Andre is a large man whom which is old and wise. It is never stated exactly how long he has worked his craft but it has been long enough to be visibly shown on his bodies. While his legs are somewhat stubby and fat, his arms and chest are well toned and muscular from hammering away at metals and lifting heavy gear. Many scars cover his body possibly from the craft, possibly from a past life. He is aged enough that his hair has turned white, as well unlike many others his eyes are exceptionally wide. Bent is his nose, a typical mark of a fighter whom which has had it broken in many fights. His martial skill is unquestionable, for if he finds himself in combat he tosses aside any weapon near to him and instead holding up his fists. This may seem foolish, if not for his powerful wrestling akin tactics and strikes that hit harder than the fists of any in game without special weapons. Technically in this regard he might actually be the strongest NPC in the game, as he can easily kill a player if they are not fully prepared for the fight. He has an unknown relation to the church, as he handles embers that are exclusively involved with it, operates within an old church, and seems to show beliefs of a sort. He also takes the most embers of any blacksmith, and can upgrade weapons along the mosts paths making him possibly the most skilled blacksmith found in game. If defeated he drops a small amount of souls, but a decent amount of humanity, three to be precise. As one may notice he has very little trust in anything that can betray you. In fact upon dying he references his disdain for backstabbing, and back-stabbers. It would appear he has a high set of morals, despite selling weapons and armor of war. Oddly enough, there are a few characters in game that claim to be of Astora. Andre included. Yet, the others have similar accents, however Andre speaks like none of them. He doesn't appear to have any similarities to them really, it is possible though that he is a mere commoner of Astora, while the others are knights, and one a maiden. Still, it's interesting his location, near to a demon which he seems to pay no mind to. As well Andre shows really no worry about any of the many dangers around him, outside of the chosen undead's safety. He's also quite knowledgeable of the area for a man who seems to stay in one place. However that might just be due to him hearing from travellers who travel about and use his services. Odd though that he would know of the Grave of Artorias, have the Crest of Artorias, then claim that any who enter the forest never return. I wonder how he gained this crest then and knows anything of the forest if no information has come out of it to him. He also has somewhat an unhealthy fascination with weapons. Upon showing any embers to Andre he will seem incredibly eager just to create anything with it, though he who loves his job lives truly. Another thing of interest, Andre appears to craft many weapons and shields of knights from various lands. Mostly Balder, Berinike, and Astora. An interesting, powerful, and mysterious blacksmith indeed Andre is. Much of his past seems to be hidden away, as well he might be lying about both his name and land. Still, nothing concrete is known so what little can be found about Andre has been stated outside of extreme speculation.
Come on, you all knew I had to do Andre.
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Very well then. ANdre is added. Thanks again Tolvo.
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The only shock is that it took so long. Nice write up
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Thanks Dough!
With "fake Firekeeper" I mean actually her function. The Firekeeper in Anor Londo can be killed but the fire keeps intact. So no reason for Lautrec to kill her. Also going into the tombs seems to be not as much trouble as going into the Sen's and Anor Londo.
But I think we can think of the possibility that ending the Age Of Fire doesn't mean the gods disappear or die. From what I think, all the big guys or people who liveed before the humans are the same race. Hawkeye is the reason why I say that.
Pharis was an accomplished archer, and though
he was human, he ranked alongside Hawkeye
Gough, one of the Four Knights of Lord
Gwyn
I guess he's talking about Mildred. Even though she invades you in the Swamps.
With "fake Firekeeper" I mean actually her function. The Firekeeper in Anor Londo can be killed but the fire keeps intact. So no reason for Lautrec to kill her. Also going into the tombs seems to be not as much trouble as going into the Sen's and Anor Londo.
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- If it's true that Lautrec is some kind of an enemy of the Gods Of Anor Londo and their followers and allies then I must say, that it seems like almost everyone fights them.
Dusk maybe, Balder, Seath (due to insanity probably), maybe even Havel, Carim (Velka), Priscilla, Artorias, the 4 Kings. If Gwynevere became a goddess of Carim (and maybe is called Fina there) she maybe too. Flann is also possible his title is confusing.
But I think we can think of the possibility that ending the Age Of Fire doesn't mean the gods disappear or die. From what I think, all the big guys or people who liveed before the humans are the same race. Hawkeye is the reason why I say that.
Pharis was an accomplished archer, and though
he was human, he ranked alongside Hawkeye
Gough, one of the Four Knights of Lord
Gwyn
befowler wrote:Re the butchers, Laurentius repeatedly refers to them
as female, and says she'll eat him for lunch if he's not rescued.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IEGkgOdi9XU#t=17s
I guess he's talking about Mildred. Even though she invades you in the Swamps.
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