Messengers of Velka

Yes if they manage to invade one of us and somehow win we shall Put them deeper on the list to get revenge (they deserve the point)

Also I would love to ally with other DM covenants We could benefit each other even if we think different.

I disagree. Methods are just as important as motives. The ends cannot justify the means. In my mind by discarding honor you lower yourself to the level of the sinners and become no better than them. I will not support an alliance between our covs however the final decision falls to Zack. I will advocate neutrality however.

SunlightCrusader wrote:I disagree. Methods are just as important as motives. The ends cannot justify the means. In my mind by discarding honor you lower yourself to the level of the sinners and become no better than them. I will not support an alliance between our covs however the final decision falls to Zack. I will advocate neutrality however.

A blue eye for a red Eye.

We are spirits of Vengeance. Vengeance implies more more of a "what goes around comes around" ideology than a lawful one. This is how DM's are supposed to operate. everyone has their own stance however.

We are supposed to be better than the sinners; if we abandon armor how are we any different? Our codes differ to such an extent that we cannot be allies in my opinion.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind regardless of color. I believe in making the guilty pay the price but I won't become what we hate to do it.

swordiris wrote: This is how DM's are supposed to operate.

How YOU think they are supposed to operate.


I'd consider the very fact that they are hunting down the sinners and Unhonorable people that they themselves would have to adhere to a code of honor. Otherwise they are no different from that which they are hunting.

Not that i'm a part of either covenant, but I would see it very hard for you to be allies.

LordRevan wrote:

swordiris wrote: This is how DM's are supposed to operate.

How YOU think they are supposed to operate.

swordiris wrote: everyone has their own stance however.

Also it all just comes down to your ideologies and beliefs on life. Does killing a killer make you one yourself? I do not believe so. That's why I have the opinions I do about DM's.

So I'm not just a self righteous *** then? Good to see at least somebody shares my opinion of how the DMs should be by the way Revan. Mind you it's just that, an opinion.

Regardless Revan sums up my opinions nicely. We need not be enemies but I don't view an alliance as possible. As I said though I defer to Zack for the final decision if you decide to propose an alliance. He did give me permission to carry out diplomacy however so I suppose my word does count for something.

Sounds awesome except for the fact it goes against all of my rules.

Still making freinds i see, how many members you got so far?

Mate I havent forgotten your request for lore, just havent been in a writing mood lately. Will do it when I can.

As an invader , regardless of covenant , I would suggest to always adjust your code of honor & rules to the host.

If they are jerks you will notice it pretty fast anyway

I believe you will have much more fun this way , rather then killing the host without honor at all costs.

billy_bayonet wrote:Still making freinds i see, how many members you got so far?

Just me and xzDennizx. We are definitely slow moving but I wasn't expecting to make very many friends. We are revolutionaries, most DM's follow a code of honor and most Darkwraiths do not like the idea of purging sinners.

DoughGuy wrote:Mate I havent forgotten your request for lore, just havent been in a writing mood lately. Will do it when I can.

Thank you Dough, I appreciate the help.

ZikoLogiKa NL wrote:As an invader , regardless of covenant , I would suggest to always adjust your code of honor & rules to the host.

If they are jerks you will notice it pretty fast anyway

I believe you will have much more fun this way , rather then killing the host without honor at all costs.

That wouldn't follow the RP of this covenant though. If we started doing that then we would be too bland.

If they did that they wouldn't me much different than us. At least now we are distinctly different covs. I don't agree with your methods but I prefer having a rival DM cov with differences than a similar rival cov.

So, I know who to blame for the demons greataxe DMB horent ring BS while I bow darkmoons? good to know. Ill just be chain BS'ing all spirits of vengances from now on

:suspect: Dan...

Whaaat I have a reeeally good win/loss ratio when aggravated!
(and no I dont chain BS usually...)

Remind me not to DM you....

Chain BS should be nerfed for 1.06, that shouldn't be possible.

But if it gets sinners...

Haha nah your fine man. (I'd see your username ) Its just in the burg I only run into one darkmoon. if you bow to him he will do the aforementioned trick on you.
I've run into a couple of nice DM's but overall I would far sooner trust a DW.

Chain BS is broken **** and it should not be there. however neither should the dragon glitch and if I can use it to combat that then I aint complaining

(although once I lost my temper at some gankers in the forest and Chain BS'ed a phantom 8+ times. not proud of that but yeah.)

I read through some of the posts in this thread and I've come up with a crystallized opinion on this covenant. And let me just say that I think the saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say, it's better if you don't say anything at all," applies here.

I wish you luck with your covenant, but that's all the support you'll be getting out of me.

Psst Pendant come to the Deliverance; we are the cool DMs.

Double psst pendant take a look at the first line of my sig

Thanks for the offers guys, tough at this point I'm not looking to join a new covenant. Will keep both of you in mind, but the timing just isn't right.

In the near future, who knows. I was just dropping in to sort of at some of the ideas I've seen floated around these parts.

I think people would get the opinion that since we do not use honor we have no skill.

That isn't true, we take the best and can hold our own in a duel between friends. (other darkmoons of course via red soapstone.)

Edit: also added ragequitting as something taboo.

Look buddy its all well and good saying no honour code, my covenant doesnt "follow" honour doesnt mean we dont show respect and sometimes honour, basicly i offer freedom be a **** or be a boss eithas good so long as you kill EVERYONE!