Best from the top tier

I saw rifter's thread came back to life and the discussion about which is the best katana got me thinking. What is the best weapon from all the weapon tiers? IMO:


-Claws

-Dark Silver Tracer

-BSS

-MLGS

-Zweih

-Gold Tracer

-Chaos Blade

-Mura

-Rapier

-Hand Axe

-BKGA

-Reinforced Club

-Large Club

-Moonlight Horn

-Halberd

-Notched Whip

-Composite Bow

-Heavy Crossbow


-I choose MLGS because it deals more damage than any greatsword since most players have low magic defense. It also has 1 stat scaling which is more worth the stat spending. However Claymore is competing hard for very useful moveset.

-Zweih is the longest UGS, and has very high AR for its low weight. DGM is a good candidate but very high weight and short range loses to the Zweih.

-Chaos Blade is the best blade.

-Rapier has the highest critical of all the rapiers.

-Hand Axe although low AR is the fastest axe in game, for only 2 weight. Butcher Knife although high AR and poise break, has very bad moveset and can't stunlock + it's too heavy for its AR. Axes are better used as backup or offhand.

-BKGA moveset, speed, weight and range wins over DGA.

-Even though the Mace has the highest AR of all the little hammers, the Reinforced Club can infinite stunlock + bleed. Blacksmith Giant Hammer has more range and almost same AR at 16 Str, good competition.

-Crystal Large Club has same AR as a Great Club, lower weight, very good moveset and poison.

-Moonlight Horn: same argument as MLGS. SKS is a solid competitor.

-Halberd pokes win. Great Scythe although deadly is a specialized weapon, requiring skill and training to get its full potential.


Post your opinions and which 1 do you think should be the best weapon per tier.

I like Velka's Rapier more than the Rapier, though, admittedly, I'm a huge homer. 8)

The mace has the highest ar of the hammers Wyrm.

The Zweihander(except for its rolling R1s), Reinforced Club, and the Moonlight Butterfly Horn don't work with the Leo Ring! :x

And as for the BKGA vs DGA, tough choice for me. Love the DGA's 1-handed R2 attacks.

RantFromRant wrote:The mace has the highest ar of the hammers Wyrm.

Oops lol I'll edit that.

Seems accurate. Demon's spear is also great.

Man idk. I think the only way to argue, would be out of personal preference, which would only be an improvement according to ones playstyle preference.

For instance:

Heavy Crossbow/Light Crossbow (weight in exchange for ar)
Avelyn (hitting people out of their rolls)

Moonlight/Partizan (I like the horizontal attack)

etcetcetc

I can't really find a way to improve unless I include my own personal preferences. Nice job. I think this and Rifters thread are great for people a little new to pvp.

I pick Claymore because every single attack it has is a viable melee option, it's very unpredictable for a Greatsword. Also, I propose the Demons' Spear as the best spear. Not only is it longest, it has respectable damage with base stats and absolutely monstrous, DSS level damage with a Q build. Claws are indeed the best fist weapon, good r2's and a very safe roll attack, probably the safest in the game. The Estoc might be the best rapier because of its length, 110 crit on the regular rapier does not translate to much more damage in practice. I also contest the Gold tracer. It does have fantastic bleed, yes, but rather low AR compared to the PGS and Qualaag's, which is the longest curved sword and has much higher AR than a Chaos Uchi with 40 dex.

There is no single best weapon from each weapon class. The old thread did this exact same thing, only without the pointless restriction of only having one weapon per class in the list.

Bonus dumb points for choosing rapier as the best rapier and justifying it with "best BS damage."

Hell, Demon's Souls had much worse balance between weapons of the same class, and even it didn't have many weapon classes where one weapon clearly stood above all others.

Crystal +4 Rapiers have same AR as Estoc at 40/40, but elemental an Estoc might be the best option unless the rumor about elemental criticals is true. Demon's Spear split AR makes it a weak spear but the range is a +. Strong competitor indeed. Gold Tracer have the best from both worlds, range and stupid high bleed build up. A PGS is better buffed though. Buffable weapons get a -1 in duels because of dodge turtling till it fades.

Saturday-Saint wrote:...There is no single best weapon from each weapon class...

Ummmmm.....short sword? I mean clearly there are weapons that are better than others.

I will agree only with the premise that your playstyle preference directly takes into account what is considered best for a person as an individual.

Other than that, I say the dagger is a poor choice.

***EDIT***
According to the wiki the mail breaker has a higher critical.

LOL let's pretend MB doesn't exists. It's higher critical can't compensate the low AR. I've tested rapier vs MB bs/riposte and rapier wins.

Animaaal wrote:

Saturday-Saint wrote:...There is no single best weapon from each weapon class...

Ummmmm.....short sword? I mean clearly there are weapons that are better than others.

I will agree only with the premise that your playstyle preference directly takes into account what is considered best for a person as an individual.

Other than that, I say the dagger is a poor choice.

***EDIT***
According to the wiki the mail breaker has a higher critical.

Seriously? That's news to me. I always wanted to try the mail breaker, but then decided against it seeing as that I thought the rapier/estoc would outclass it in every way. If that's true, please do confirm it. I will gladly change what would have been my rapier or estoc build to a mail breaker build! I already have an estoc main, and I loved using the mail breaker in DS

WyrmHero wrote:LOL let's pretend MB doesn't exists. It's higher critical can't compensate the low AR. I've tested rapier vs MB bs/riposte and rapier wins.

Myztyrio

WyrmHero wrote:

WyrmHero wrote:LOL let's pretend MB doesn't exists. It's higher critical can't compensate the low AR. I've tested rapier vs MB bs/riposte and rapier wins.

Myztyrio

Oh then why did they put it in the game

Is there ever any advantage to it?

Myztyrio wrote:Is there ever any advantage to it?

Weight.

Absolute best weapons:

- Chaos Blade
- Any long spear (Demon's, Silver Knight, DSS...)
- Balder Side Sword
- Great Scythe
- Halberd (if combined with Leo)

WyrmHero wrote:LOL let's pretend MB doesn't exists. It's higher critical can't compensate the low AR. I've tested rapier vs MB bs/riposte and rapier wins.

Is that true when using the Leo Ring? Just curious because you specifically state the rapier has the "highest critical". I dont use rapiers much and was wondering if I was missing something.

Myztyrio wrote:...Seriously? That's news to me. I always wanted to try the mail breaker, but then decided against it seeing as that I thought the rapier/estoc would outclass it in every way. If that's true, please do confirm it...

Go to weapons-->Piercing Swords-->third one down.

The difference is 10 points in critical attacks as compared to the rapier.

Myztyrio wrote:

WyrmHero wrote:

WyrmHero wrote:LOL let's pretend MB doesn't exists. It's higher critical can't compensate the low AR. I've tested rapier vs MB bs/riposte and rapier wins.

Myztyrio

Oh then why did they put it in the game

Is there ever any advantage to it?

Why put the Short sword? The MB is very light for one thing, and having more weapons adds more variety, whether more useful or no.

Saturday-Saint wrote:There is no single best weapon from each weapon class. The old thread did this exact same thing, only without the pointless restriction of only having one weapon per class in the list.

Bonus dumb points for choosing rapier as the best rapier and justifying it with "best BS damage."

Hell, Demon's Souls had much worse balance between weapons of the same class, and even it didn't have many weapon classes where one weapon clearly stood above all others.

Sums up my opinions pretty well.

Only thing I would add is that weapons outlive their PVP usefulness if overused. I loved the Great Scythe, and I used it for a long time at the early stages of Dark Souls release. But eventually many other people caught on and started using it, which meant that my opponents were used to its moveset and it became much more difficult to hit them. I now use other Halberds.
Another example: I have a fairly easy time parrying Katanas, because I'm so used to fighting people with them.

I agree with your list because of ease of use, only I think it's a tie between the Claymore and MLGS. There are many things that I think balance them out.

The weapons in that list aren't necessarily the "best" weapons, but if you're a PvPer just starting out this is the list you want to look at.

Balder Swag Sword > all xD Gotta love that weapon

I totally deserved that - rep.