A serious can of worms. Namely, the new "bbg"

Automancer wrote:

DemonOfFate wrote:And honestly, i don't lose very often. I consider myself average or slightly above average tier in the Serious PVP, and i don't even mind it.

Unless you are top-tier or using easy tactics, you will lose a lot. So no, just no.

Like I said above, using easy tactics is most likely what allows him to win with a lower skill level than you guys.

I know this as I'm a fan of the crutch of buffing and magic (all types). It's good stuff

Serious_Much wrote:

Automancer wrote:

DemonOfFate wrote:And honestly, i don't lose very often. I consider myself average or slightly above average tier in the Serious PVP, and i don't even mind it.

Unless you are top-tier or using easy tactics, you will lose a lot. So no, just no.

Like I said above, using easy tactics is most likely what allows him to win with a lower skill level than you guys.

I know this as I'm a fan of the crutch of buffing and magic (all types). It's good stuff

It's addicting, i can tell you that.
That's why i stay away from buffs as much as possible. Even when i do have buffs, i rarely use it unless they buff too.

Yes, poison resins are my favorite, lol.

^ It's a Server, you're good to go. Kappa.

If I have them I use them, but at sl 80-100 (where I pvp) only rarely do I have the points to spare from vit/end. That buff won't help if I'm killed in 2 hits.


Perhaps serious, you're simply a better caster/hybrid than pure melee.

I find casters extremely difficult to play (I have 2 and 1 hybrid,) I'm must better off (as in if I'm determined to win above all else) pounding people into paste with a weapon twice my size (or using a spear.) does that mean my weapon is a crutch and I should be casting? Should I abandon weapons all together because they make it easier to win? Or am I only good if I'm good at melee, where if I'm good with magic I'm winning because I have a crutch (despite the fact that I'm better at melee?)

Forum I agree with your opinion, I was just avoiding offending people because some people resent all forms of magic and think th only honourable and correct tactic is a pure melee- which in my opinion is effing boring

I do think I'm better with a hybrid though, I prefer being able to mix up what I do rather than stick to one thing or another.

Its interesting (and absurd) that we haven't gotten over that (as a culture.) Snipers get the same crap (IRL snipers get it too, last I heard, for similar reasons)

did this "new bb glitch" come with a mod file?
ive met alot of blue players today, wielding weapons and/or spells they shouldnt be able to.
i got invaded on my sl 28, the invader had smoughs hammer, hit me 1handed for almost 500, wich means he had the strenght to wield it. after some evading and i got in a few bs, i saw my hits, but his healtbar didnt decrease. a few min later he blasts off a wotg, dealing almost 1k dmg wich 1 hitted me. since he was invading me he had to be the same sl or lower, 58 str and 28 faith shouldnt be possible at lvl 28 or lower if my math is decent:p i guess alot of ppl on this forum have this new bb glitch,and can answer me if it also gives u the option to mod stats and sl.
cuz if every invader im gonna meet from now on gonna be like this, the pvp part would be ruined for me, and i would just play offline

I have not used it but I know how it works(at least the easy way), and I can guarantee you can't hack stuff like stats and not up your SL with it.

densetsushun wrote:I have not used it but I know how it works(at least the easy way), and I can guarantee you can't hack stuff like stats and not up your SL with it.

If he's on xbox and pc though you can easily get SL1s that have max stats, sadly.

I am sympathetic to both sides. I understand the desire for instant pvp, and contrary to some opinions, as it applies to serious pvp, there are dozens upon dozens of different builds and stat spreads and tons left to explore and discover as it relates to style and optimization. For example, I am seeing more and more builds dedicated to a certain weapon or tactic that at first look, appear to be random and not optimized according to meta norms, but at a deeper glance are very intelligently and subtly crafted. As per a discussion I was having with someone, just look what menu swapping has done. Quickly being able to swap in a ring like say Wolf's will completely change how a person approaches END as it relates to how they plan for poise. 4 or 5 pure builds cannot contain a creative person's imagination, the way a child should not be expected to be supremely content with a box of 5 crayons.

Now, on the other hand, the avid pvp'r who thinks along those lines needs to be willing to compromise and show some foresight. A hacked pvp landscape diminishes player confidence and can rot a community from the inside out. That bodes poorly for the future of a series we all love. There has to be restraint exercised as well in honoring and respecting the ground we play on. Plow it up too much and the footing will become uneven for everyone.

What this should lead to is a dialogue with the developers on what will be a compromise to satisfy the most people. The overwhelming number of people looking to build fast are good people, and not lazy, the same as people who prefer co-op. We have a distinct and vibrant player ecosystem amd even though the game seems to split into two camps, the truth is we are all Souls players and the particular bends people fall into are vital for the health of the series.

EeAyEss wrote:I think E blew it out of the park.

Wah, are you xbox or ps3?

PS3

so i think i ran into two players who have already used this hack last night.

i was level 18 in the burg using my dragon eye as i was making my way around the area. i got summoned by a player wearing gold-hemmed and ornsteins armor, grass crest shield, a +5 lighting gargoyle halberd and +5 lighting uchi. i only had a +5 broad sword and +5 zwei and was wearing the elite knight set (un-uprageded) and the grass crest shield.

this player was definitely not good enough to have that gear at that soul level, he beat me twice but i was well on my way to beating them in round three, even though i was only doing about 10-15 damage on a back stab.

then a dark wraith showed up and used firestorm 4 times in a row. the first three missed but the host and myself both got one-shot on the fourth.

it's not impossible that both players honestly got their gear at such a low soul level, but i find it very unlikely.

i think that this hack is for the most part unfair as you start at level one with all upgraded equipment and 5 copies of every spell. now i know it's a fantastic way to create level whatever PVP builds in minutes but that's not what the majority of players who use this are going to be using it for…unless they think that level 1 burg ganking is PVP.

while i am bored from farming for hours to get all the materials and items i need to finish off a new build, i think this hack goes a little too far. now if all it gave you was the upgrade materials (titanite, scales and whatnot) sans the spells and fully upgraded equipment, it would be more tolerable…but i still wouldn't use it because i want to choose the hairstyle of my new character.

EDIT: the worst part about this hack is that it casts suspicion on anyone who can and does legitimately complete the game at level one. since not many actually do this, everyone who has high level gear on a low level character will be called out as being hackers, rightly so or not.

When i said i consider myself average in serious pvp, i mean fightclubs and the like. When i enter a fightclub with GOOD players, i win some and lose some. Random invasions most of the time i don't lose, so maybe i'm better than i consider myself. And no i don't use buffs, in fact i tend to limit my builds some. I mean have you seen the build i have for Death In The Depths? http://mmdks.com/1pje Also i stay away from spears, i only use Str weapons, and i occasionally use Pyro but i tend to just stick with pure melee.

(Ever seen this guy Martysbrigade99 play? I'm around his skill level. - The mad parry skills, but i can land parries if i detect a patern)

PSN+ clouding? Sorry, I'm lost here, trying to see if I know what's actually being talked about.

@Nybbles: what are u doing in burg at sl18? With my last build i was at O&S at sl 18.
There is nice Co-Op and PvP at low SL and it feels like the old times, when u have to do your playthroughts awake and with cautious, instead of running throught and kill the boss in a rush, while looking TV.

And one of my low SL builds got taurus alive and i grief there the griefer simply by hosting (dried finger)...but i could have been the guy who invaded you. Don't be there at that SL, if u don't want low lvl pvp.

There is a reason, that i always make my builds with the master key - i want to avoid burg. Just get one of those summons (that are the worst of all in this strange war, because they take the complete fun out of that area for the poor host. and they gank in burg even dueller), to distract havel and if an invader comes and then send him home, to go to Darkroot Basin, withou killing taurus.

So Griefer are on both sides of low level pvp in burg even without that new hack.

@new "bbg"
Well - the temptation is really big to use it as a weapon mule, getting some those thing could take u long esp. on low sl.
And i am technical interested - will open the files in a hex editor and have a look. The names and the look of those builds are stupid...perhaps there could be done anything about that.

But still this hack is pure evil :evil:

I moved from PC to PS3 because of the no hacker thing and found heavy bbg abuse and adapted, not by using it, but by avoiding those areas until i also got some good stuff at low sl and joined the war around burg.

But if we are going to get all those xbox and pc hacks with this one, then burn the damned guy who brought the pest over ps3 pvp.

Really don't know if i ever open Pandora's box...

Ah man.. I'm so depressed I may have to shed a tear for the PS3. Completely against this glitch.