Comment on the Serious(_Much)ness of PvP

I've thought this for a rather long time now, but when I'm here on the forum, I get the sense that people take pvp WAY too seriously. The arguments on this section become idiotic, voices of reason get down repped. It's getting a little out of hand, here.

People mention tiers of weapon- there's an argument about it
People mention the 'proper' way of fighting- there's an argument about it
People mention magic- there's another bloody argument about it.

I could go on forever here, folks. But it saddens me almost, every time I see people take a unique build- not perfect, but with character and a little individuality, then when they post is for opinions everyone tears it up for the same perfect generic build. It saddens me when I see people talking about 'practicing' parries like they did it for a living or something. Hell, I even saw a guy in response to the dksII gameplay demo say he hopes the numbers will come back on damage "So he can do research".

I'd just like to remind everyone that PvP isn't a numbers game. You shouldn't be crunching digits for hours just to get your perfect min/maxed build. You shouldn't be agonising about where your last stat point will go, how to break 56/whatever poise, how to make your play unbeatable. If you relaxed a little over all this ridiculous competitiveness on a game that makes a point of not keeping score, you'd probably be at each others throats a little less often.

Sorry if people disagree with me, but I think we all just need to relax a bit over this whole thing. FROM wanted you to invade people, dish out some pain and have fun. They didn't want you to all run around using the same 4/5 weapons, using the same few builds, concentrating on the numbers so much.

Just go out there and have some fun for a change.

P.S. Stop filling the forum with ridiculous arguments, it's probably a massive pain in the *** for the mod team.

If someone asks how they can make a build better, there is no reason not to reccomend the same old tried and true min/max stuff.

My final build was a full giants armor char, using the blacksmith giant's hammer, as a joke.

It's the most fun I've had in PvP in a long time, it was unrefined, unthought out, I just ran with it. I've used mugen along the way to tweak it, but for the most part, it was just fun.

I very recently had an epiphany similar to the OP. Games are more fun when you don't care about the exact science.

IMO people here, and in the DkS community at large, do not take PvP seriously enough.

Serious_Much wrote:I'd just like to remind everyone that PvP isn't a numbers game. You shouldn't be crunching digits for hours just to get your perfect min/maxed build.

Correct. You should only be crunching digits for mere minutes in order to get your perfect min/maxed build.

'd just like to remind everyone that PvP isn't a numbers game. You
shouldn't be crunching digits for hours just to get your perfect
min/maxed build.

Some people enjoy this aspect of gaming. You should see "number crunching" on civfanatics forums. It's just part of the territory, and it can be legit enjoyable for many.

The way I see it, it's fine as long as it doesn't get abrasive. Min/maxing and arguments over optimization can be fun.

While I respect your opinion, I also have my own; this is the PVP section of the forum and it's "for the PVP nuts," so it'd be a little odd if we didn't debate, argue, and discuss the things that bothered us.
I believe that it has less to do with people taking it too seriously, and more to do with people being belligerent on a more personal level, which incites such arguments.

sure its fine to debate but rehashing the same old arguements just gets old and results in bitterness among forum members which then leads to trolling or flame threads in extreme cases.

Which is what I mean by a few belligerents, because the debates are largely civil without a few people involving themselves, and one messy post can tip those fragile scales into a downward spiral.

Personally, I love designing the perfect build. The one that is min-maxed to perfection. Has a good poise-break level. Has good defenses and so on. That is part of the fun for me.

Oh great, just great, I was going to make a thread about the Seriousness of PvP with even a Serious Much name related joke in there, but no! Now because of this I will look like a copy cat, and I won't get to farm rep-I mean, help out the community.

Damn you Serious Much, damn you!

I'm tired of seeing all the arguments and clone builds too.Do people on this forum even realise their "new" build is almost exactly the same as all the others? I'm not very creative but I'd like to see more unique builds so I can try them out.

http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=302702354317374191

i can't recall this ever being done... also the great axe is accually faster in the off hand, the trick to this is to use the roar to set up hits.

sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=302702354317374191

i can't recall this ever being done... also the great axe is accually faster in the off hand, the trick to this is to use the roar to set up hits.

I'd say fair play to you for that.I've never seen a southpaw/lefty build before.

I feel as though this is the same old argument of how serious(_much) you should play a game. It mainly depends just on what person you are. Are you a person like me, that can't help but analyze tactics and numbers, to the point you get good enough that everyone calls you a tryhard? Fine then. Good for you. Are you a (filthy) casual that just plays to relax, that doesn't care as much whether you win or lose? Fine. Good for you. There are plenty of ways to play a game. If someone says that you shouldn't take a game too seriously just yell "get away from me you filthy casual!". And, conversely, if someone tells you that you are a noob and suck at that game, just because you don't take the game as serious(_much)ly, just laugh and ignore them. Or make fun of them. Either one works.

Saturday-Saint wrote:IMO people here, and in the DkS community at large, do not take PvP seriously enough.

Look how serious my face is

Totally agree Serious but unfortunately it's the internet and if your opinion does not match mine your opinion is invalid(that's not me, its alot of the net), to you & me and me it's a game to others its more. To be honest this board's pretty decent agrowise, i've seen a lot worse, gamefaqs took the biscuit, i saw a thread on an fc with no rolling allowed, most help me threads degenerated into all out war after 3 posts. It's not just this game either.

BTW not game related but just think of a united\pool thread on any forum, then you realise this place is not so bad.

AnCapaillMor wrote:i saw a thread on an fc with no rolling allowed

TBH: This sounds really *** fun to me.

To the Op:

This is why you never see me post my own numbers. Also why I advocate for "no rules" in a FC.

Thanks for the responses everyone

To reiterate, I don't think doing a bit of planning is a bad thing- you don't wanna work for hours on a steaming turd of a build. However it's when seriousness gets to the point where 1 mis-allocated point means you have to reroll your build, when your not satisfied till your skill equals being too good for everyone else.. It's this level of seriousness that causes arguments..

I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss things, but when you start arguing instead of debating, and the flames and insults start getting thrown around it's gone too far- and while this forum is better than other places, how about we strive to go one better and eradicate the petty arguments that come out in this section

A noble idea but you've a better chance of liverpool fan wearing a Fergie:Legend shirt.

Games bring out the best and worst in us.

AnCapaillMor wrote:A noble idea but you've a better chance of liverpool fan wearing a Fergie:Legend shirt.

This made me smile haha

Have you heard about when a guy wore a Man U shirt to a liverpool preseason game? The other people in the crowd stripped the man u shirt off and put a liverpool one on him- priceless.

I'd believe it, come on its the same here, you go in with a build wearing giants armour and gargoyle helm and ninja flip out with a xanthous, dingy, wolf ring kit.