by ResIsBestStat Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:22 pmStill, there is no reason for him to commit suicide. He could've easily got the Humanity by looting corpses, killing NPC's in his world or invading other people that were weak. My guess is that Kaathe found out about his betrayal and sent someone to kill him.Soul of Stray Demon wrote:Or maybe he just kills himself after he realizes he can't win.
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I don't think Kaathe would care that much about betrayals.
Then again, I always kill the fair lady out of pity, (and that tasty soul) so he invades me for revenge.
Then again, I always kill the fair lady out of pity, (and that tasty soul) so he invades me for revenge.
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I think that its alot more likely that he kills himself since he could not serve the Fair Lady and protect the Bed of Chaos .ResIsBestStat wrote:Still, there is no reason for him to commit suicide. He could've easily got the Humanity by looting corpses, killing NPC's in his world or invading other people that were weak. My guess is that Kaathe found out about his betrayal and sent someone to kill him.Soul of Stray Demon wrote:Or maybe he just kills himself after he realizes he can't win.
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might as well be infiniteSoul of Stray Demon wrote:Unlike every other NPC in the game who has infinite casts of all their spells, the darkmoon bonfire keeper has only five casts of the Dark Moon Blade Miracle. No more then that.
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Yeah, but it's interesting it's not infinite. Really big wonder of why?
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Oh, that's nothing Mika
Even More so, He also has a blindfolded playthrough.
Even More so, He also has a blindfolded playthrough.
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Geezus thats one hell of a project to blind fold a Souls game, I could probably do Demons by now though.
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Also on the Kirk topic; we all know undead can't die permanently, and instead they just go hollow as the lore tells us. But the lifeless bodies of Kirk, Iron Tarkus, Beatrice, etc. can be found with their items, and suicide doesn't release your from the cycle either. Am I crazy or is this an ingame contradiction?
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Also on the Kirk topic; we all know undead can't die permanently, and instead they just go hollow as the lore tells us. But the lifeless bodies of Kirk, Iron Tarkus, Beatrice, etc. can be found with their items, and suicide doesn't release your from the cycle either. Am I crazy or is this an ingame contradiction?
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Also on the Kirk topic; we all know undead can't die permanently, and instead they just go hollow as the lore tells us. But the lifeless bodies of Kirk, Iron Tarkus, Beatrice, etc. can be found with their items, and suicide doesn't release your from the cycle either. Am I crazy or is this an ingame contradiction?
By "commiting Suicide" i meant that he simply gave up .
Undeads don't go hollow unless they have a Purpose or a Goal to achieve .
Kirks Goal was to serve the Fair Lady, so when he couldn't serve her, he gave up which is the equivalent to commiting Suicide .
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The sorcerer dude in the Forest once ran out of spells when I was toying with him (or maybe his AI broke, I dunno). He just permanently swapped to his sword and chased me around with it.Soul of Stray Demon wrote:Unlike every other NPC in the game who has infinite casts of all their spells, the darkmoon bonfire keeper has only five casts of the Dark Moon Blade Miracle. No more then that.
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reim0027 wrote:Blindfolded playthrough? Vids, or it didn't happen.
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Hue wrote:reim0027 wrote:Blindfolded playthrough? Vids, or it didn't happen.
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Blindfold video much less impressive than I had originally conceived. I thought he had the game progression down to algorithms. still pretty cool though, I guess.
@Marino, I understand the Hollow concept and giving up, what-have-you. But that's still just hollowing, giving up would not kill any of them permanently, it would just make them mindless hollows not lifeless corpses.
In my eyes and mind the game is very Multiverse theory, even as the player character we all play the same story line and just invade/summon our 'alternate selves,' if you will. So it may be the corpses we find are just convolutions in time and space. Perhaps from a world where they never became undead.
@Marino, I understand the Hollow concept and giving up, what-have-you. But that's still just hollowing, giving up would not kill any of them permanently, it would just make them mindless hollows not lifeless corpses.
In my eyes and mind the game is very Multiverse theory, even as the player character we all play the same story line and just invade/summon our 'alternate selves,' if you will. So it may be the corpses we find are just convolutions in time and space. Perhaps from a world where they never became undead.
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My theory is that kirk was never undead. You don't die when you get killed when invading. Leeroy went to the catacombs to seek the cure for undeath (If i remember right, wich i propably don't.) Prehaps he found it, and died soon after.Undiscovery wrote:@Marino, I understand the Hollow concept and giving up, what-have-you. But that's still just hollowing, giving up would not kill any of them permanently, it would just make them mindless hollows not lifeless corpses.
In my eyes and mind the game is very Multiverse theory, even as the player character we all play the same story line and just invade/summon our 'alternate selves,' if you will. So it may be the corpses we find are just convolutions in time and space. Perhaps from a world where they never became undead.
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Leeroy went for the Rite of Kindling, by the Way of White with the goal of holding back the dark with stronger bonfires. The only way to end the curse is revealed to the player character alone. People journey to Lordran to uncover the secret behind the Curse, as told by Oscars prophecy. The Player character fullfills the prophecy and the fate of the undead he shalt know. Also referenced by the Darkmoon Knightess saying you'll receive the revelation from Gwynevere, she implies not to know what it is herself.
Tarkus is also confirmed to be undead indirectly by the Crestfallen Merchant. I don't imagine any of them are NOT Undead, it is why they all are in Lordran. It just doesn't add up is all I'm putting out there.
Interesting note on Leeroy however; his corpse is found in Nito's chambers but he only needed to defeat Pinwheel to get the Rite of Kindling, which he somehow skipped even though he can be summoned to fight him. Unless the Rite of Kindling is the power the Pinwheel is said to have stolen from Nito. I'm not sure why Nito would have that power though.
Tarkus is also confirmed to be undead indirectly by the Crestfallen Merchant. I don't imagine any of them are NOT Undead, it is why they all are in Lordran. It just doesn't add up is all I'm putting out there.
Interesting note on Leeroy however; his corpse is found in Nito's chambers but he only needed to defeat Pinwheel to get the Rite of Kindling, which he somehow skipped even though he can be summoned to fight him. Unless the Rite of Kindling is the power the Pinwheel is said to have stolen from Nito. I'm not sure why Nito would have that power though.
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Actually, maybe they are being revived, but they lost their armor during one of their deaths, and are now just normal hollows what without their weapons or anything.Undiscovery wrote:Geezus thats one hell of a project to blind fold a Souls game, I could probably do Demons by now though.
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^That's plausible.
Further on my Leeroy point, Rhea and her clerics are also found past Pinwheel who has the RoK needed for the WoW undead mission. So both Leeroy and Rhea-troupe all seemed to avoid Pinwheel all together (Even patches, though given his nature I'm sure he had his ways). The WoW doesn't seem very competent, no wonder Petrus went rogue.
Further on my Leeroy point, Rhea and her clerics are also found past Pinwheel who has the RoK needed for the WoW undead mission. So both Leeroy and Rhea-troupe all seemed to avoid Pinwheel all together (Even patches, though given his nature I'm sure he had his ways). The WoW doesn't seem very competent, no wonder Petrus went rogue.
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I discovered I really want to edit my post above yours to make it seem like you're agreeing with something dumb, but I also discovered I'm not going to do that. lol
Maybe pinwheel was just off doing something when they went by. I don't think they just stand there waiting to fight you.
Maybe pinwheel was just off doing something when they went by. I don't think they just stand there waiting to fight you.
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That'd be a double edge sword if you did. 
He's not standing there though, he's absorbed in research and experimentation when you interrupt him. Similar to Logan, I don't see him leaving anywhere, he seems like he has everything he wants/needs in his tomb. Guess he could've went to walk the Skelli-dogs. I mean I get the possibility of him not being present but that just seems like a cop out explanation, y'know?
A lot of the bosses are just standing there waiting to fight too like capra, asylum, stray, O&S, firesage, centipede is petrified, nito's asleep, witch is immobile, Gwyn's chillin, You can hear Artorias breathing outside the coliseum, etc. etc.
He's not standing there though, he's absorbed in research and experimentation when you interrupt him. Similar to Logan, I don't see him leaving anywhere, he seems like he has everything he wants/needs in his tomb. Guess he could've went to walk the Skelli-dogs. I mean I get the possibility of him not being present but that just seems like a cop out explanation, y'know?
A lot of the bosses are just standing there waiting to fight too like capra, asylum, stray, O&S, firesage, centipede is petrified, nito's asleep, witch is immobile, Gwyn's chillin, You can hear Artorias breathing outside the coliseum, etc. etc.
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Maybe he was off gathering something to test with when they passed by, and had returned after.
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I admire your tenacity Stray. But the WoW being incompetent is clearly the intended lore here. 
Or Maybe... he was busy stealing the Rite of Kindling from Nito...
Or Maybe... he was busy stealing the Rite of Kindling from Nito...
