The Search for Lore

I just remembered something about Reah. At one point when you talk to Lautrec he offers to give you some intelligence in return for souls. Me thinking he meant the stat intellgience I happily paid. instead he gave me information about Petrus and Reah. He spoke about how Reah and petrus were soon to travel to the catacombs on a great quest. He mentioned that Reah was so brimming with humanity (cant remember the exact wording). If by brimming with humanity he meant her soul was made of humanity this would make her like a firekeeper. Would it be possible that Reah is descended from the first firekepper and whoever sent her on the quest believes she become a new firekeeper by using the rite of kindling? And i dont mean a firekeeper like gwyn is I mean a firekeeper like the first firekeeper was.

So Gwyndolin is Velkas best friend LOL. Then Priscillas father must be Seath. If he was franted dukedom, in the real world heirarchy Princesses marry Dukes sometimes. He and Gwynevere must had something. But, how experimenting with maiden would yield results of scales of immortality? If Gwyndolin is a succesful experiment, what new abilities did he gained? The transformed maiden look more ike squids than snakes. But there are serpent men guarding the cells...

Edit: Disregard what I said about the Squids limbs, they look like a part of a snake indeed.

One thing I've always wondered about is what if Velka is like Gwynevere, and illusion created by Gwyndolin, I wouldn't entirely put it past him. Having another sect similar to his doing his bidding, though I can't think of a lick of evidence to support this, just an idea.

Bandit lvl 123 went to chaos rank 3 and finished up bed of chaos just a bit ago. None of the braziers in the back where the steps drop off have turned on.

Firstly sorry for all the posts but as I read I keep seeing new things I want to add. Secondly sorry if anything I post has already been answered. I am posting as I read through the thread.

@Acidic_Cook About your idea the everlasting dragons were once humans. Seath's soul is a lord sould. If we look at lord souls in that they enhanced a certain part of each person this adds credibility to your theory. Gwyn's lightning sorceries were his enancement, the witch had her fire sorceries enhanced and Nito was granted ht epower of necromancy/ the ability to grant necromancy to followers of his who had sufficient faith. Seath, as a human, got the lord soul of pure sorcery greatly enhancing his magic powers. Since in many contexts powrful sorcery is associated with dragons it makes sense for a being of extremeyl powerful sorcery to transform into a dragon. So Seath gets the soul, his power grows and he shapes himself into that of a dragon believng he will be immortal because of it.

Otherwise why would his soul be a lord soul and requiredfor the lordvessel? It would imply that every everlasting dragon had a lord soul. that may have been true but I think its unlikely.

Also in the prologue it mentions that "even now there are only embers". Could these embers mentioned be the embers you find in game? perhaps once these embers were flames, created from the first flame and are linked to its power. As the first flame fades so does the power of these embers.

Finally in reference to the location of the peculiar doll. It is unknown how long ago Tarkus died . If he did die just after leaving the painted world, and if him leaving the painted world occurred shortly before you were freed from the asylum, then perhaps his last surviving knight took the doll from him and tried to hide it from the world. he returned to the asylum where the undead are "locked away to await the end of the world". Here, surely the knight thinks, no one will find it, no one will return to the crossbreeds world. Perhaps tarkus found something in the painted world and ordered his knight to hide the doll so no one else would ever find it.

Dough Guy, I believe you are wrong in your analysis of Seath. While he is Scaleless which can lead to speculation over whether he is a 'true' dragon and some have even suggested else where that he could even be the pygmy, he is simply shown to be a Dragon just by watching the initial cutscene before the game begins.

However, he is simply a scaleless dragon. The lord soul he possesses is a bequeathed shard of Gwyn's own lord soul, given to him (and Four kings) when Gwyn went to link the fire and postpone the age of man. While it is possible the soul enhanced his power, it did not let him turn to the form of a dragon, as during the war on the Dragons when Gwyn still possessed his Lord Soul, Seath was a dragon then too.

Sorry to play devil's advocate here (stealing a classic emergence line but hey ) Humanity as we know it in the game are descended from the pygmy. Then why or how would it be sensible to assume that the everlasting dragons are actually human? Especially when the covenant simply lets you take on a hybrid, not full dragon form that is not covered in scales.

Serious_Much wrote:Dough Guy, I believe you are wrong in your analysis of Seath. While he is Scaleless which can lead to speculation over whether he is a 'true' dragon and some have even suggested else where that he could even be the pygmy, he is simply shown to be a Dragon just by watching the initial cutscene before the game begins.

However, he is simply a scaleless dragon. The lord soul he possesses is a bequeathed shard of Gwyn's own lord soul, given to him (and Four kings) when Gwyn went to link the fire and postpone the age of man. While it is possible the soul enhanced his power, it did not let him turn to the form of a dragon, as during the war on the Dragons when Gwyn still possessed his Lord Soul, Seath was a dragon then too.

Sorry to play devil's advocate here (stealing a classic emergence line but hey ) Humanity as we know it in the game are descended from the pygmy. Then why or how would it be sensible to assume that the everlasting dragons are actually human? Especially when the covenant simply lets you take on a hybrid, not full dragon form that is not covered in scales.

Ah, thank you for pointing that out. I forgot Gwyn gave him part of a lord soul which is what you need. That makes sense now. As I said Im poasting as I read through the thread and just putting my own theories on what Acidic_Cook has written earlier.

hehe well I still wanna know about the dragons from humanity thing, though i suppose i'm being slightly lazy by not searching for it myself

pylorih wrote:Bandit lvl 123 went to chaos rank 3 and finished up bed of chaos just a bit ago. None of the braziers in the back where the steps drop off have turned on.

The thread for this research is The great search. You need to complete the game and link the fire. Then in NG+ retrieve the lordvessel again and let Frampt or Kaathe take you to Firelink Shrine. Check is the brazier is lit. Dont change covenants. Post your findings there.

So pretty much the Dragon covenant ranking up, the torso stone and head stones are simply weaker versions of this ritual to you? They lack the sorcery and fire to truly develop and stay stuck in an interim and relatively weak form to Seath and the everlasting dragon?

I see, that could make sense, though it's unfortunate that everything we speculate about the lore we cannot concrete, though I suppose that shows true how cleverly FROM created the world of Dark Souls

Forgotten

Did i ever have anything to do with nexus on my rank? :| just my location for fun

and well I just follow what I have noticed while i've been playing, which isn't much I havent embraced the lore very much so yeah I'm a bit behind you in terms of how mature my view of Lordran is

Where did the first everlasting dragon's come from then if one would require scales to become one? Would dragon-kin creatures had to already have existed for such actions? Possibly though it is hinted that Drakes came after the dragons, what if they came before. A primitive aspect that those who became the dragons used as a means to become something else? Just an idea that I can't really back up, but merely a point in that the idea of the ritual of using scales coming before scales are available just doesn't make any sense to me.

Acid thank you for all the great posts you write. I was searching the internet trying to find answers to the mysterious lore of Dark Souls. I found this forum and when I saw your thread I started to read. It take me almost two nights to complete reading all your wonderful posts. The more I read, the more I wanted to comment, question and give some of my ideas. I created this account to be able to do so. A drink to you, friend. The alcohol in me has made this cheesy paragraph, I hope you enjoy it lol.

You are absolutely correct when you say that Nito held the two embers. It is the most logical situation. I believe the occultists succeeded in stealing the two embers. You see, the Occultists had interest in the power of Dark, as they were from New Londo (the statues of the mother and the child is a clear evidence). It seems that the Occultists were a clan of Darkwraiths, as its logical that they want the Age of Darkness. New Londo was flooded by Gwyn, to get rid of the Darkwraiths, and the Occultists were imprisoned in the Painting. If there is a hidden covenant in Dark Souls, it would be the Occultists, led by Priscilla(I love that girl).

It is perfectly logical that Nito, without the power of Flame and Darkness, cannot maintain his Skeleton army. Some devout (Necromancers and maybe Pinwheel), are able to "revive" the skeletons, as evidenced by their use of the Flame. You have connected all the lose ends about Nito. The Tomb of Giants has always make me to speculate, were the giant coffins constructed to diseased Gods?

Another good question might be what is actually a giant? The bones on the ground in the Tomb, the large skeletons you fight, the massive men in Sen's, the Sentinels, the Giant Blacksmith, the Knights of Berenike, there are many massive creatures that seem so different while still being humanoid. Are there multiple races of giants, are many giants gods? Are they actually related to humanity? Another point is that though Gwyn is tall, he doesn't seem to be gigantic, the same can be said for the other gods. Yet Priscilla is possibly a god spawn, though her state of being a cross breed could more so explain her size. The actual term Giant in Dark Souls has really confused me, especially in regards to the Tomb of the Giants. Why is there such an area that is only for the burial of large beings, yet full of smaller bodies and skeletons. Why does the architecture down there differ so much if it is supposedly an area designated for resting of bodies, wouldn't it share similarities with other areas? One thing I've always wondered is why did Nito choose this place, and how did he come to lord over it? In fact the idea of his skeletons having a will has always brought me to wondering if this was once a society he controlled, led by his dead. But basically, what do you think the term Giant actually constitutes?

Good point there. I totally forgot about the Giants. They are a species in Lordran. The Gods used them as slaves. Those are their Graves.

I'm not sure if this has been speculated on in regards to your last post Acidic, could not the Tomb of the Giants be some kind of resting place for the gods.As most dieties in the game are depicted as large to downright massive beings the Tomb of the Giants seems to me to have some sort of special significance to me as a place where gods may have been laid to rest.

Take Gwyn's Tomb in Anor Londo. Its pretty big much like the massive coffins in the ToTG and given that Nito is the First of the Dead, almost a deific title in of itself, and master of the Dead it seems like a fitting place for Gods to go when they die.

Just a thought I wanted to share, not sure if it will do any good, but twas worth a shot.

OMG Acid, you said something that the developers said it has to do with some secret. They said that the secret can be found after New Game Plus, something like that. Chiz and I read the interview. The only things that change in NG+ is that you can buy Gwyns clothes, exchange his soul with the Sunbros and choose to meet kaathe before talking to frampt and give him the Lordvessel. There has to be something.....

Yeah I did it too, but used the bb glitch. I even killed Gwyndolin before aquiring the Lordvessel to see if Gwynevere dissapears, but sadly no. The chest was empty too, no maiden robes.

http://www.fromsoftware.jp/darksouls/contents/trailer_en.html
The first trailer, at about 1-1.05 look at the crows head. is it just me or is there some sort of mark there?

What the hell? Why weren't these trailers in america?

I'm pretty sure these trailers are from the pre final release as can be seen from the scene in firelik with the firekeeper and tarkus.Also they are in Glyphstones thread somehwere.

Also I can't seem to notice any symbols on the crow, anything specific I'm looking for?

Just on its forehead. I cant tell whether it is a symbol or its just its feathers

I can kind of see something, but it just looks like feathers to me, I know in game I've never spotted anything.