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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:23 pm

    DWGR,FaP will make 30 end = 40 end and 30 vit nearly equal 40 vit.
    at 80 you really cannot afford to discount that kind of bonus.
    I think washing pole needs 20 str to 1h


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    Post by Spurgun Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:23 pm

    I can >.>
    I just like making it impossible for me to make good builds lol
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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:25 pm

    I'm afraid your gona have to rely on glass,heavily player skill based builds then spur but I suspect thats just the way you like it winking
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    Post by Spurgun Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:28 pm

    Lol. All my bulids are dragonoids, with 40 poise and practically zero defense.

    I have thought about doing a MoM flipping giant with elementals, wonder how i would fair with it.
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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:28 pm

    DONT DO IT, it will get you into such bad habits and they are so hard to break. seriously just stay away from it...
    (my old vit 10 is unusable to me now *sniffs*)
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    Post by Spurgun Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:30 pm

    I think that not being able to make abuild without the dragon body and never using the DWGR, havel and FaP tings is a bad habit too. But i can’t break this bad habit.
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    Post by WyrmHero Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:34 pm

    I broke the low Vit habit and now I see 1300 HP as super low. All my builds aim for 50 Vit now.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:34 pm

    the washing pole is too heavy, it would demand lightning armor or more endurance, on top of that, it scales better than you'd think, at 20 str and 40 dex its ar is 394 where the uchis is 423, its base damage is to low for it to really benifit from dmb. You'd just be better off with lightning at base requirements. I prefer the poise for melee characters, so I went uchi,
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    Post by Spurgun Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:35 pm

    Most of my builds have between 40 and 50 vit, depends on the build
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    Post by Forum Pirate Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:37 pm

    dancash1808 wrote:DONT DO IT, it will get you into such bad habits and they are so hard to break. seriously just stay away from it...
    (my old vit 10 is unusable to me now *sniffs*)

    Its just a playstyle difference. I have the same issue going between my pyro and my warrior
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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:54 pm

    Yeah, but its much harder to transition from high vit to low vit than it is from low vit to high vit. and spur I would say your current bad habit is preferable to a new one silly
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    Post by Forum Pirate Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:01 pm

    Mine? My builds almost all have a max of 40 vit. One has 46 to hit 1400. I never go higher with stats. Will use the rofap (or mom on 120s) but a hring lightning zweihander bs will always kill my 80s.

    Atm I have a 120 with 1590, an 80 with 1423ish, and an 80 with 953.
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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:07 pm

    Spurgun wrote:I think that not being able to make abuild without the dragon body and never using the DWGR, havel and FaP tings is a bad habit too. But i can’t break this bad habit.

    Not you forum silly I personally want to eventually settle at 30 vit with favour and protection as a happy medium.... >.> and not just cause its the most efficient in terms of the hp/vit not including the first 8 levels (maybe I worry too much about the numbers.. xD)
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    Post by Forum Pirate Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:11 pm

    Until a rapier bs kills you in 1 hit, thats why the 1 80 have above 40 vit. I use the dgm, if i get roll bsd i want to survive.
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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:16 pm

    Eh, If I get rapier BS'ed I get rapier BS'ed its a rapier. I should be expecting it. I tend to negate backstabs fairly often running RB with a greatsword does this alot. (just had a rapier BS attempt xD I was fighting lock off and killed them but I think I got lucky...)
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    Post by Forum Pirate Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:21 pm

    won't stop a roll bs though. Fighting lock off is how i deal with fishers and turtles to, but the roll bs can catch you while you're stuck in the end animation and can't respond.
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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:25 pm

    ... hm. I dont have much experience with roll bs. I think its a side effect of PvP'ing almost exclusively in the forest... lots of 2 on 1's but not so many skilled players.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:36 pm

    Play in the burg for a bit, its almost all anyone tries again ugs. I know how to bait them, but against the great and ultra great weapons, its almost all anyone tries. Guess why my 120 has 2 stacks of wog. Them and the damned spear rollpokers.
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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:38 pm

    Haha I'd take 3 unskilled BKGA builds over a good spear roll poker any day silly
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    Post by WyrmHero Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:44 pm

    Well the weapon rewards by rank idea was a cool one but Forum's right it's way too restricting and could make the covenant boring. So I have another idea that I did mentioned in the past so let's see if it can work.

    I'll choose 3~4 weapons (I would prefer only 2) that have Painting World, New Londo and Carim characteristics from each weapon tier. Players can choose between those weapons and that will be the class. So far so good. Now I can't make each class to have a uniform. A lightning Claymore armor setup is completely different from a normal claymore. The lightning Claymore build will have lots of End to spare and can have more poise armor. The normal one would prefer minimum poise and lower End to put the rest of the points in Str or Dex.

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    Fists:
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    Dark Hand

    Daggers:
    Bandit's Knife
    Priscy's Dagger
    Ghost Blade

    Straight Swords:
    Barbed Straight Sword
    Darksword
    Drake Sword

    Greatswords:
    Man Serpent Greatsword
    Flamberge
    Moonlight Greatsword
    Cursed Greatsword of Artorias

    Ultra Greatswords:
    Greatsword
    Demon Great Machete
    Dragon Greatsword

    Curved Swords:
    Painting Guardian Sword
    Shotel
    Jagged Ghost Blade
    Quelaags Furysword

    Katanas:
    Iaito
    Washing Pole
    Chaos Blade

    Curved Greatswords:
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    Gravelord Sword

    Piercing Swords
    Estoc
    Velka's Rapier

    Axes:
    Hand Axe
    Butcher Knife
    Gargoyle Tail Axe
    Golem Axe

    Great Axes:
    Greataxe
    Demon's Greataxe
    Dragon King Greataxe

    Hammers:
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    Reinforced Club
    Pickaxe
    Hammer of Vamos

    Great Hammers:
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    Great Club
    Demon's Great Hammer
    Dragon Tooth

    Spears:
    Partizan
    Channelers Trident
    Demon's Spear
    Moonlight Horn

    Halberds:
    Gargoyle's Halberd
    Great Scythe
    titanite Catch Pole
    Lifehunt Scythe

    Whips:
    Notched Whip

    Bows:
    Darkmoon Bow
    Composite Bow

    Crossbows:
    Sniper Crossbow
    Avelyn

    Talismans:
    Darkmoon Talisman
    Velka's Talisman
    Canvas Talisman

    Catalysts:
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    Post by WyrmHero Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:49 pm

    I forgot the shields Priscilla's Lifehunters  - Page 10 2707236321 .
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    Post by WyrmHero Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:58 pm

    And preferred upgrade paths apart from Normal and Crystal would be Enchanted, Chaos and Occult. I tried to choose the dark themed weapons. Weapons like the Claymore, Grant, Ricard's Rapier, Dragonslayer Spear are better suited for the Noble Knights.
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    Post by WyrmHero Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:00 pm

    Any use of Lightning such as Lightning Spear and Sunlight Blade is prohibited. The only exception is the Demon's Spear.
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    Post by WyrmHero Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:05 pm

    And maybe I'll suggest Lifehunters armors like we had in the past, and can be mix-matched.
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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:09 pm

    Hmm, definitely packing greater magic barrier if I ever wander into your territory silly

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