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    Post by CaptanSpudsy Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:46 am

    Why is it that 90% of the time, people who use rapiers just use them for BSing and/or riposting? In my mind, the rapiers are the most versatile of swords: you can go all out with them, turtle people who have Greatswords, kite the people who are slow or even fast, and the high crit damage is just a bonus.
    My +15 Estoc shreds almost all of the people I invade.
    Am I the only one who thinks that rapiers can be used for more than criticals?


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    Post by Carphil Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:50 am

    Depends.

    When you see someone using ricards, they probably will buff it. When you see an estoc, they probably will turtle and when you see a standard RAPIER, 90% will fish for a backstab

    the only good players with rapiers out there are mostly those who use Velka's
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    Post by Ghadis_God Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:05 pm

    ^I fought a really good bs fisher using Velka's in the forest maybe last night or two nights ago. I mean, I usually look down on those people, but this guy was a master of backstabbing. I literally couldn't do anything against him.

    I don't see why anyone would turtle with a rapier. It works at low levels, but if I'm going to turtle I want a nice long spear that puts me out of Dead Angle range. I also meet some people who like parrying and carry a rapier for the crit damage.
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    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:15 pm

    I wouldn't turtle with a rapier, possibly only the Estoc and even then I find it to be a questionable strategy. If I want to hide behind a shield I'd rather a spear any day of the week.
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    Post by FinPeku Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:10 am

    Ghadis_God wrote:I fought a really good bs fisher using Velka's in the forest maybe last night or two nights ago. I mean, I usually look down on those people, but this guy was a master of backstabbing. I literally couldn't do anything against him.
    I know what you're talking about. Usually i hate backstab fishers, but sometimes I encounter players that are so extremely good at it that i don't even want to hate them. It does take skill to master the different bs techniques and know when to use them.

    But then, there are these guys:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OjLF2USnyE

    This fight was kinda funny actually. He fished, I mashed, he fished and in the end he died big grin I don't understand... You should always have a plan b. You know, if your buff runs out or if your opponent knows how to fight against backstabbing etc.
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    Post by dancash1808 Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:28 am

    I use a backup rapier whenever a greatsword does not work... they mesh very very nicely covering most bases.
    If he has a spear get out a rapier.
    If he is dodging constantly. get out a rapier.
    If they are making a run for it whenthey are one hit from death. get out a rapier.
    you get the idea silly

    also spudsy I linked you before not sure if your interested or not but you should totally join the darkstalkers lol! every time I see your pic...
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    Post by Wisp Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:58 am

    FinPeku wrote:
    Ghadis_God wrote:I fought a really good bs fisher using Velka's in the forest maybe last night or two nights ago. I mean, I usually look down on those people, but this guy was a master of backstabbing. I literally couldn't do anything against him.
    I know what you're talking about. Usually i hate backstab fishers, but sometimes I encounter players that are so extremely good at it that i don't even want to hate them. It does take skill to master the different bs techniques and know when to use them.

    But then, there are these guys:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OjLF2USnyE

    This fight was kinda funny actually. He fished, I mashed, he fished and in the end he died big grin I don't understand... You should always have a plan b. You know, if your buff runs out or if your opponent knows how to fight against backstabbing etc.

    Hey, i think I duelled you a couple times recently. I was using the balder sword, wearing light armour with wolf ring. YOu beat me first time and I beat you the second time despite missing a riposte after a parry.
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    Post by FinPeku Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:09 pm

    Wisp wrote:Hey, i think I duelled you a couple times recently. I was using the balder sword, wearing light armour with wolf ring. YOu beat me first time and I beat you the second time despite missing a riposte after a parry.
    That's cool! I guess wisp is not your psn id? I'd remember you otherwise. I'm glad i won the first one at least winking

    But yeah, it's highly probable since i'm a lot at the burg.
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    Post by Wisp Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:14 pm

    No, my PSN is MoreThanOneMile.

    Lol and don't worry, you're loads better than me, my win was an anomaly.
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    Post by FinPeku Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:20 pm

    Now i remember you! Well, thanks big grin I really don't remember anything about our fights, but i do remember your name. But let's not distract this topic any longer happy
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    Post by Wisp Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:24 pm

    Indeed.

    *ehem*

    I adore the estoc move set, but the damage is so disappointing...
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    Post by dancash1808 Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:25 pm

    Range> massive damage.
    also If you lemon it it will destroy most people in 5 pokes.
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    Post by Wisp Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:28 pm

    Time to make a lemoning build i suppose...
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    Post by dancash1808 Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:31 pm

    You could go CMW but greater magic barrier would be soul crushing then.
    Buff's are a very good idea in PvP (and they tear bosses to shreds! :O )
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    Post by bloodpixel Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:13 pm

    MY RAPIER IS THE RAPIER THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVEEEEENNSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
    All jokes aside, it's probably because it's relatively weak without a buff or if it's elemental.
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    Post by Dr. Demento Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:49 pm

    My current build uses velkas and the butterfly horn, I win about 85% of my fights. I love rapiers.
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    Post by dancash1808 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:50 pm

    thats the tourney one ? right ? big grin I love both those weapons big grin
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    Post by Dr. Demento Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:52 pm

    Yup thats the one. Rolity poke rolity poke. Although I only use the horn when I need range against scythes and greatswords.. I hate stunlock >sad
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    Post by dancash1808 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:53 pm

    Hehe, I guess its a good thing we never got to that point in the tourney then that would have been my most powerful tactic.
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    Post by Dr. Demento Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:56 pm

    What was your build?
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    Post by johnnyjwa Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:32 am

    People always send me hate mail on my lvl 65 d!ckwraith build in anor londo. My main weapon is a +5 light rapier and I use it almost exclusively for backstabing/parrying. Rapiers have a higher critical, they are made to do more damage when you land a bs/parry. With my pokes I do about 150ish damage average, hornet bs, 1200 dmg. Burn me at the stake for being a backstaber on this build but if I wanted to poke people to death I would use a spear. Better dmg and way better range.

    I love going up against the dark anor londo gankers with my rapier and hornets. Nothing sweeter then seeing the host run with his tail tucked after I one shot his two phantoms.
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    Post by Ecko Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:33 am

    dancash1808 wrote:If you lemon it
    Wisp wrote:Time to make a lemoning build i suppose...
    Uh, what's the term lemon mean?
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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:42 am

    SLB= sun light blade = some lemon buff silly
    also demento i was the guy with the claymore ( I think it was only me xD)
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    Post by Dr. Demento Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:45 am

    Oh, I remember you know. I dueled you once I think.

    Edit- 200 posts!!! OHH YA! 2months a member and 200 posts, I feel so accomplished with my life.
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    Post by dancash1808 Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:46 am

    Yeah, I think we had a match... you won if I recall
    and Gratz silly

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