by BrotherBob Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:18 pmHow can I prove it? Also, I wanted to discuss this topic because its the only one I really care about.IV_Mark_VI wrote:I don't believe you. You open a post on the touchiest subject, with a long-winded approach and are engaging to everyone? From 0-100 on a first post eh?
Nope, don't believe you.
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Why you should always duel honorably
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Simple. It makes it fun for you because you know that you beat your opponent at his/her best. Makes it fun for them because it means that you played fairly (ex. not getting in the first hit because they were unprepared).Seignar wrote:The problem here is that honor is subjective. You said "duel honorably", yet honor can mean anything. In my case, my only honor is that my opponent bows after he beats me and vice-versa (for respect); and, of course, they don't glitch (battle glitching) or cheat (as in modding).
Also, you listed that having fun invading would require you to be honorable (well, you didn't exactly say it like that), but why? That is one thing you didn't do, you never gave a firm reason to play honorably. So on top of being subjective you haven't even given us a reason!
The world of Dark Souls is divided into 2 forms of PVP. Yours is the dueling PVP. The other side is known as the invading PVP which is truly unlawful. People LIKE the unlawful and chaotic nature of invading, screwing people's days comes with it and some people even enjoy someone barging into their worlds just so they can beat them up and take their souls and humanity, useful for PvE.
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BrotherBob wrote:Simple. It makes it fun for you because you know that you beat your opponent at his/her best. Makes it fun for them because it means that you played fairly (ex. not getting in the first hit because they were unprepared).Seignar wrote:The problem here is that honor is subjective. You said "duel honorably", yet honor can mean anything. In my case, my only honor is that my opponent bows after he beats me and vice-versa (for respect); and, of course, they don't glitch (battle glitching) or cheat (as in modding).
Also, you listed that having fun invading would require you to be honorable (well, you didn't exactly say it like that), but why? That is one thing you didn't do, you never gave a firm reason to play honorably. So on top of being subjective you haven't even given us a reason!
The world of Dark Souls is divided into 2 forms of PVP. Yours is the dueling PVP. The other side is known as the invading PVP which is truly unlawful. People LIKE the unlawful and chaotic nature of invading, screwing people's days comes with it and some people even enjoy someone barging into their worlds just so they can beat them up and take their souls and humanity, useful for PvE.
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Also, who's actually doing this for souls/humanity? And people who get pleasure from other's pain are, by definition, a sadist. If one doesn't care about others and doesn't give them the respect that any human being deserves, then they are a self-absorbed, narcissist.Seignar wrote:The problem here is that honor is subjective. You said "duel honorably", yet honor can mean anything. In my case, my only honor is that my opponent bows after he beats me and vice-versa (for respect); and, of course, they don't glitch (battle glitching) or cheat (as in modding).
Also, you listed that having fun invading would require you to be honorable (well, you didn't exactly say it like that), but why? That is one thing you didn't do, you never gave a firm reason to play honorably. So on top of being subjective you haven't even given us a reason!
The world of Dark Souls is divided into 2 forms of PVP. Yours is the dueling PVP. The other side is known as the invading PVP which is truly unlawful. People LIKE the unlawful and chaotic nature of invading, screwing people's days comes with it and some people even enjoy someone barging into their worlds just so they can beat them up and take their souls and humanity, useful for PvE.
NOTE: Writes this in Page 2, appears in Page 4.
This escalated quickly (No meme intended)
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People playing a game that requires them to kill the avatar of the other Player = Sadist
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BrotherBob wrote:I still don't understand why people are getting all worked up about it. Just write something that actually applies and we'll discuss it.
because everyone has a different opinion of what fun and honorable means and no one can ever agree on something so it just turns into this neverending discussion that gets dicussed every couple of weeks and its all the damn sam. i say you can do whatever you want as long as youre not cheating(like the dragon head glitch) to ruin someones fun.
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Now, you see that isn't the case. In the forest, there are gankers and FH. There is ALWAYS action in that place. People like its unlawful nature or else they wouldn't be there. Invaders go there because they WANT to be able to fight as invaders and not follow any rules. Same goes for gankers. The hosts have the power, the invaders have the trickery.
You know I get bored with dueling and I love it when I'm unexpectedly invaded? It's because I KNOW they will truly try their absolute best to kill me and won't throw any punches, and neither will I. Dueling actually means that you aren't trying your best because you are being limited by a honor code.
You know I get bored with dueling and I love it when I'm unexpectedly invaded? It's because I KNOW they will truly try their absolute best to kill me and won't throw any punches, and neither will I. Dueling actually means that you aren't trying your best because you are being limited by a honor code.
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You are not required to. We choose to PVP.Marino. wrote:People playing a game that requires them to kill the avatar of the other Player = Sadist
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"It's not who you are underneath, but what you do that defines you." (Batman Begins) Words to live by.BrotherBob wrote:You are not required to. We choose to PVP.Marino. wrote:People playing a game that requires them to kill the avatar of the other Player = Sadist
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I never said ganking was dishonourable iirc. I'm there right now.Seignar wrote:Now, you see that isn't the case. In the forest, there are gankers and FH. There is ALWAYS action in that place. People like its unlawful nature or else they wouldn't be there. Invaders go there because they WANT to be able to fight as invaders and not follow any rules. Same goes for gankers. The hosts have the power, the invaders have the trickery.
You know I get bored with dueling and I love it when I'm unexpectedly invaded? It's because I KNOW they will truly try their absolute best to kill me and won't throw any punches, and neither will I. Dueling actually means that you aren't trying your best because you are being limited by a honor code.
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BrotherBob wrote:"It's not who you are underneath, but what you do that defines you." (Batman Begins) Words to live by.BrotherBob wrote:You are not required to. We choose to PVP.Marino. wrote:People playing a game that requires them to kill the avatar of the other Player = Sadist
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You're saying that the dragon head glitch is OK? I got machine gunned with throwing knives a few weeks back.RantFromRant wrote:BrotherBob wrote:I still don't understand why people are getting all worked up about it. Just write something that actually applies and we'll discuss it.
because everyone has a different opinion of what fun and honorable means and no one can ever agree on something so it just turns into this neverending discussion that gets dicussed every couple of weeks and its all the damn sam. i say you can do whatever you want as long as youre not cheating(like the dragon head glitch) to ruin someones fun.
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the reason i duel/invade with honor is not because i want to be Honorable, but because it is not fun to 1 shot people with cheap tatics.
the following are all my own personal opinion.
1. it is boring to 1 shot people. Therefore i do not use Hornets ring ever.
2. it is boring to fight some one who can't move. Therefore i don't use TWOP.
3. it is boring to 2-3 shot people. Therefore i don't use weapon buffs.
4. it is boring to spam spells for a win. there for i don't spam WoG/GC
5. it is boring to use ugly gear. There for i dress for looks not stats.
the following are all my own personal opinion.
1. it is boring to 1 shot people. Therefore i do not use Hornets ring ever.
2. it is boring to fight some one who can't move. Therefore i don't use TWOP.
3. it is boring to 2-3 shot people. Therefore i don't use weapon buffs.
4. it is boring to spam spells for a win. there for i don't spam WoG/GC
5. it is boring to use ugly gear. There for i dress for looks not stats.
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I suppose that I do have to kill a few gankers now...cloudyeki wrote:@bob
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Thanks for the good time BrotherBob .
Now proceed to the next Forum if you please
Now proceed to the next Forum if you please
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So you are honourable but don't want to be? Explain that one to me.Glutebrah wrote:the reason i duel/invade with honor is not because i want to be Honorable. but because how is it fun to 1 shot people with cheap tatics?
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BrotherBob wrote:So you are honourable but don't want to be? Explain that one to me.Glutebrah wrote:the reason i duel/invade with honor is not because i want to be Honorable. but because how is it fun to 1 shot people with cheap tatics?
Being Honourable is cheap .
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Have I really offended that many people?Marino. wrote:Thanks for the good time BrotherBob .
Now proceed to the next Forum if you please
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BrotherBob wrote:You're saying that the dragon head glitch is OK? I got machine gunned with throwing knives a few weeks back.RantFromRant wrote:BrotherBob wrote:I still don't understand why people are getting all worked up about it. Just write something that actually applies and we'll discuss it.
because everyone has a different opinion of what fun and honorable means and no one can ever agree on something so it just turns into this neverending discussion that gets dicussed every couple of weeks and its all the damn sam. i say you can do whatever you want as long as youre not cheating(like the dragon head glitch) to ruin someones fun.
what? lol read my post first
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BrotherBob wrote:So you are honourable but don't want to be? Explain that one to me.Glutebrah wrote:the reason i duel/invade with honor is not because i want to be Honorable. but because how is it fun to 1 shot people with cheap tatics?
i edited my post because it made no sense, i was saying i fight with tatics i find to be fun, which happens to be honorable.
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You're right. I've been dealing with a torrent of posts, so I can't get my head straight. Also, I'd like to point out that I haven't really event touched on my opinion of what "honourable" means.RantFromRant wrote:BrotherBob wrote:You're saying that the dragon head glitch is OK? I got machine gunned with throwing knives a few weeks back.RantFromRant wrote:BrotherBob wrote:I still don't understand why people are getting all worked up about it. Just write something that actually applies and we'll discuss it.
because everyone has a different opinion of what fun and honorable means and no one can ever agree on something so it just turns into this neverending discussion that gets dicussed every couple of weeks and its all the damn sam. i say you can do whatever you want as long as youre not cheating(like the dragon head glitch) to ruin someones fun.
what? lol read my post first
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BrotherBob wrote:You're right. I've been dealing with a torrent of posts, so I can't get my head straight. Also, I'd like to point out that I haven't really event touched on my opinion of what "honourable" means.RantFromRant wrote:BrotherBob wrote:You're saying that the dragon head glitch is OK? I got machine gunned with throwing knives a few weeks back.RantFromRant wrote:BrotherBob wrote:I still don't understand why people are getting all worked up about it. Just write something that actually applies and we'll discuss it.
because everyone has a different opinion of what fun and honorable means and no one can ever agree on something so it just turns into this neverending discussion that gets dicussed every couple of weeks and its all the damn sam. i say you can do whatever you want as long as youre not cheating(like the dragon head glitch) to ruin someones fun.
what? lol read my post first
You could clean this mess up if you would explain your Points .
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Honestly, my opinion of what "honorable" means is pretty simple: Bow before a duel to make sure everyone is ready, and don't backstab during a bow because obviously that person isn't ready.
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