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    Post by Jodecho Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:17 pm

    wtf is with all these Giant / Havel armor wearin', katana / Falcion buffin', never stop swingin' ****..... EVERYWHERE?!?!? i expect it in the forest and the burg because lets face it, the quality of those places has really dropped as of late.

    so i go to dukes.. SAME ****, township -> SAME ****.

    unless theres a fightclub or a tourney or whatever i wouls say at BEST 1 / 5 fights might be good. and i dont care about "honorable" heck ill take ganks all night, i just recorded (or thought i did but for some reason my capture card wasnt on) like 3 really good 2v1 and one 3v1.

    AND THEN DIED 6 TIMES IN A ROW TO THE BUILDS MENTIONED ABOVE **there was also a gold tracer in there**

    i get it, every now and then when im having a bad day, ill switch to something else to get a kill or two under my belt and then SWITCH BACK. but these guys are non stop with it. i dont see how people enjoy themselfs doing that.

    on that note, i dont know what it is, but i just cannot parry online. me and my friends will practice via RSS and have it down pat, but when im being spammed at i just cant pull it off. anyways...

    what are your thoughts on the matter? is it a nusance? what do you do when this happens to you? do you infact do this, and if so why?

    /discuss

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    Post by Brigade Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:23 pm

    Censor bypass. Inb4 ban.
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    Post by WyrmHero Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:28 pm

    Use a spear and all your problems will be solved.
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    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:31 pm

    Okay Never make a katana seem like bad thing. Those damn idiots don't know how to use one properly if I killed them without bleeding them. Also I think they love the feeling of being "good" with as little effort possible. They can't win without all that armor and str heavy weapons and they won't change. If they win they flash their ego and laugh.

    However that means twice the fun of killing them and crushing their ego and dealing with their whining. "You're a mod because you shouldn't kill me you noob!" Oh I love getting that and then explain how easy they are to parry to death and how I kill them without healing. Some think their gods when they can't really play. Do I find them annoying? Yeah but killing them is the only satisfaction I love from being evil. I'm a nice guy but they deserve nothing.
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    Post by LunarFog Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:33 pm

    Dont lose and you wont get mad
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    Post by Jodecho Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:34 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:Use a spear and all your problems will be solved.

    most of my builds do have a spear as a backup weapon. idunno, maybe i dont backpedal fast enough? it seems even when i roll i still take "phantom" hits.
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    Post by WyrmHero Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:36 pm

    Use DWGR/fast roll. Fast roll is harder to not get hit due to lower I-frames.

    Also shield, more if you turtle. Wait for buff to run out.


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    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:36 pm

    Jodecho wrote:most of my builds do have a spear as a backup weapon. idunno, maybe i dont backpedal fast enough? it seems even when i roll i still take "phantom" hits.
    Then you need to time your dodges and account for lag when you fight.
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    Post by The Letter X Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:39 pm

    Earlier I faced a Washing Pole user with CMW, Pursuers, and TWoP. That was the first time I ever considered using the term "tryhard" until I decided to pull out my Claymore for some stunlocking. The player was surprisingly bad. I suggest running/being patient against opponents like your examples or this.

    All kill, no skill. I like that. silly
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    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:43 pm

    The Letter X wrote:All kill, no skill. I like that. silly
    Quite it is original.

    Have you considered backstabbing them Jodecho? Makes it easier if you don't want to deal with them.
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    Post by Jodecho Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:58 pm

    Soris Ice Goldwing wrote:
    The Letter X wrote:All kill, no skill. I like that. silly
    Quite it is original.

    Have you considered backstabbing them Jodecho? Makes it easier if you don't want to deal with them.

    depends what character im using. all my characters fast roll, well all the ones i play anyways, but only a couple of them actually use poise.

    my new regular does have about 60ish poise so i can tank a hit, but my other cant, and i never masterd the skills of Roll BSing or Toggle Escaping, infact i would say i do either of them more by accident than on purpose.

    i TRY to not backstab if im not being ganked, but i think im going to start making exceptions for certain builds.
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    Post by Rynn Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:04 pm

    People love curved swords and katana's because of their run speed, however this tactic is easily beaten by either stunlocking with a bigger weapon, or by evading them with agility. Unfortunately, I think the problem lies with your approach, not with the tactic.
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    Post by Jodecho Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:11 pm

    Rynn wrote:People love curved swords and katana's because of their run speed, however this tactic is easily beaten by either stunlocking with a bigger weapon, or by evading them with agility. Unfortunately, I think the problem lies with your approach, not with the tactic.

    your more than likely right, considering i do mostly host in the forest. while i dont mind a gank i also dont look for one so i try to end each fight as fast as possible.
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    Post by WyrmHero Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:38 am

    I remember a very very annoying Falchion guy. We dueled several times, can't remember well what weapon I was using, but I was losing everytime. Then I said *** this, let's use the spear. He didn't have a chance. I already knew that a spear could beat the Falchion easily, and that duel was proof.

    PS. Falchion and kats are extremely weak against spears, but curved swords suffer more because of the lack of a thrust attack. With a spear, you can roll turtle till the buff runs out, while at the same time poking a few times so it doesn't seem like you're a cheap dodge-turtle (which is a very annoying tactic).
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    Post by GrinTwist Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:10 am

    Change your style when it comes to approaching those builds and for the sake of whatever god is popular now don't go to the township for any good invasions. I was there for at least two hours today nothing but gankers and r1 spamming gold tracers (so much parrying).
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    Post by Juutas Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:08 am

    Anything is weak against spears. Want to go super tryhard -> use spear.
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    Post by Saturday-Saint Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:16 am

    Stop getting mad at video games. Stop getting mad at how other people play their video games. If you don't want to lose, don't play.
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    Post by Pilgrim34 Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:12 am

    I deal with lots of similar players with my darkwraith build and I have to agree with some of the other posters that using a spear is definitely the way to go against these types of player! I use a Demon's spear +5 which has insane range, just poke away at them and if you land one or two clean hits the lightning will stagger them. The rolling attack on this weapon is also great for dead angling.

    I also carry a full stock of dung pies for my invasions (I think they're very underrated). Toxify your opponent then use a Lloyd's talisman for good measure (especially good against gankers). Even if this doesn't kill them outright, players still tend to panic and make mistakes when toxic, usually meaning that you can land some easy hits or a backstab.
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    Post by crbngville2 Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:27 am

    Saturday-Saint wrote:Stop getting mad at video games. Stop getting mad at how other people play their video games. If you don't want to lose, don't play.

    I have to agree with Saint here. If they have "No Skill" and continually beat you, what does that say about "Your Skills"?
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    Post by Hugh_G_Johnson Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:19 pm

    Well, I'm dueling in the burg right now and two guys keep summoning me and killing me. One I suspect is a much higher level than my 120, another I know killed a guy in the 330s SL range. The first casts TWOP, then walks towards me which takes about 1200 HP from me, you know... as walking at someone does... then spams great combustion. The other, who is at a minimum SL of 290, in full giants, save the mask of the mother and wields Ornstein's Great Lightning Spear of Skill (and phantom range) with two hands. He pokes me with it as soon as I spawn. I believe he also had the grass crest shield on his back and grassed as I spawned. Of course, he was sure to let me know how skilled he is with gestures. As if I wouldn't notice how often he hit R1 and be in awe...

    I guess I have to admit my skills cannot cope with such techniques at this point.

    PS -- now wog spamming gankers are picking up my sign! cheers
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    Post by grossemesser Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:34 pm

    They have chosen a set up to deal with your move/skill set that will give them a win reliably. The task for you is to find one that trumps their tactics. I use curved sword but tend to stay away from r1 spam unless I am dealing with an archer who won't close. Once I get close enough I crank out as much damage as I can and try to limit his maneuverability hence his range advantage. I recently added a spear to my arsenal so I have a thrust attack. Works well enough and tends to provoke fits of pyromancy from people. Most notably combustion or the dreaded and much maligned black flame.

    This is the conundrum laid before many honorable fighters when faced with systems that do not recognize honor but see it as a weakness. Whatever works is right will trump honorable self imposed rules fighting without fail. Adapt and overcome or realize your system has become obsolete.
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    Post by bob90 Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:33 pm

    Jodecho wrote:wtf is with all these Giant / Havel armor wearin', katana / Falcion buffin', never stop swingin' ****..... EVERYWHERE?!?!? i expect it in the forest and the burg because lets face it, the quality of those places has really dropped as of late.

    so i go to dukes.. SAME ****, township -> SAME ****.

    unless theres a fightclub or a tourney or whatever i wouls say at BEST 1 / 5 fights might be good. and i dont care about "honorable" heck ill take ganks all night, i just recorded (or thought i did but for some reason my capture card wasnt on) like 3 really good 2v1 and one 3v1.

    AND THEN DIED 6 TIMES IN A ROW TO THE BUILDS MENTIONED ABOVE **there was also a gold tracer in there**

    i get it, every now and then when im having a bad day, ill switch to something else to get a kill or two under my belt and then SWITCH BACK. but these guys are non stop with it. i dont see how people enjoy themselfs doing that.

    on that note, i dont know what it is, but i just cannot parry online. me and my friends will practice via RSS and have it down pat, but when im being spammed at i just cant pull it off. anyways...

    what are your thoughts on the matter? is it a nusance? what do you do when this happens to you? do you infact do this, and if so why?
    Quote: Jodecho u might not understand but i dont either, but i think this ppl do more enjoy in winning than using their own fighting style with any wep and own armor look theyd normally would using. Not that u cant beat them easy too but there are many unecperienced players that rushing to the enemy and forgeting their guard.
    /discuss

    edit: removed any "altered" curse words
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    Post by ChillerHR Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:35 pm

    I like to host in Burg for PvP...not too happy when invading, when invaded by giant moms or Havels with 2H R1 spamming buffed fast blades, I just BS them to death or spamm dark flame and pursuers+ dark bead...

    It's over before it even starts, I just hate giant moms with pikes, or fast slashing buffed curved dex blades...

    Not much honor in that, but I'm all honor if invader shows little respect and wears 'n wields something not so eager...
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    Post by KrazykevS10 Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:42 pm

    Don't bother trying to fight falchion or gold tracer users,they suck as a rule and all that spamming doesn't work so well against your sword/spear/axe/hammer stuck in their back.
    I'm not a big fan of backstabs but all spam deserves it.Be it parry,estus,R1 or magic.

    I shudder to think of how many falchion+DMB users I've seen. :shock:
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    Post by lextune Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:07 pm

    You type "never stop swinging" and I see; "easy parry/riposte kill."

    Not sure why you are having problems with R1 spammers, but as Rynn said, unfortunately it sounds like the problem is with your approach.

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