Dibsville wrote:There is nothing showing that Manus is not the Pygmy, but he is the earliest known human, thus there is evidence that he is the Pygmy.
My take on this is that the guy who "claimed the Dark Soul, and waited for Fire to subside"
for 2 millennia does not sound like the guy who broke a temper tantrum against his kind because they broke into his grave and stole his necklace - sorry, pendant. From gives two telling points too -
First, they kept the Manus-Pygmy connection deliberately ambiguous (is Manus primordial man, or the
Second - look at Chester's wording of Manus' awakening... "incited his ornery wrath"
Ornery, according to Google, means "Bad-tempered and combative/Stubborn/Mean".
This is just my impression, but that does not sound like the Pygmy to me.
Dibsville wrote:The Pygmy is the Dark Lord
Not enough evidence for or against. Not going to discuss this point, because it's up in the air.
Dibsville wrote:You are re-becoming the Dark Lord, thus you are becoming the Fourth Lord in place of the Pygmy
My double-take does not occur at the Pygmy being the Fourth, it happens because the primordial serpents almost wholly support an unknown future(according to you) which is to be initiated by someone who is nowhere to be seen.
The pygmy is not a figure to command their obedience, especially since he is not around. Even then, the primordial serpents, who were neutral, did not stay neutral or back the winning horse - they embraced the Abyss and made it their home... and threw their whole support behind something they had little idea about.
They knew Age of Ancients, and Fire, but not Dark - Dark is an unknown quanitity(again, if I am not correct). Yet they support and work for "true dark fall over the world"
and talk about "our lord hast returns't"
(note the change is speech pattern) implying they had a Lord, an authority figure in the first place(which supports fire-dark loop, in my POV)
Teh Kitten's Cat wrote:If I remember correctly, from has stated that their stories are not related.
Because Demons Souls IP is owned by Sony, so FROM can't draw any obvious ones, or state it directly. Some direct ones I can remember:
- Gloomy depressed warrior in the beginning, who considers you to be a fool for trying to achieve the goal he couldn't
- Evil knight you save from a prison who promises trinkets at first but eventually kills friendly NPCs and tries to murder you (Yurt, Lautrec). Both of them like Shotels
- Patches....... well, he's Patches. He even kicks you of a ledge just like in demon's
- Anor Londo sentinels are very similar to the Tower knight, they even have the shield ground pound.
- Bellfry gargoyles = Maneater but in easier mode.
- Paladin Leeroy physically reminds me of Garl Vinland with his huge hammer
- Havel the rock physically reminds me of Biorr of the twin fangs with his huge weapon and heavy shield, I believe even the attack animations are pretty similar.
- Chester from the DLC is clearly a reference to the fat ministers with the creepy grin
- All of Blighttown is a carbon copy of Valley of Defilement, even enemies are nearly the same
- Catacombs are the equivalent of the Shrine of Storms, even the skeletons are very similar, with their charging rolling attacks.
- Witch Beatrice physically resembles Yuria.
- Puzzle boss fight that doesn't require direct confrontation but quick evasion maneuvers and cutscene activation by fixed triggers (Bed of Chaos, Dragon God)
- Phalanx in Painted World is a reference to the DeS counterpart
- Xanthous king Jeremiah's headgear is a reference to The Old Monk's headgear
- And not to mention all the spells, weapons, items that made a comeback with different names
Then there's the inaccesible 6th archstone - Land of Giants...
see Anor Londo, giants in general, and Tomb of Giants. Way too many connections to count, but nothing solid.