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    Post by DoughGuy Fri May 18, 2012 9:31 pm

    Adding Tolvo and Azran to the block. Wish I cpould give you advice Tolvo but thats too high lvel for me.
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    Post by Tolvo Fri May 18, 2012 9:36 pm

    I'm sure you could manage something, even if its really minor.

    Azran how dare you abuse my language! It's all good.
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    Post by Serious_Much Fri May 18, 2012 9:40 pm

    Well, one word springs to mind, which is "paragraph" silly

    seriously, blocks of text are horrible to read, after you change it I can read and see if I can think of anything big grin
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    Post by Tolvo Fri May 18, 2012 9:42 pm

    That is a paragraph Serious, I have no reason to alter its structure that I can see at this time.
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    Post by DoughGuy Fri May 18, 2012 9:49 pm

    Out of interest is the rest of the bo going to be at the same level or is it just that paragraph?
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    Post by Tolvo Fri May 18, 2012 9:51 pm

    It is designed to build up and become more difficult to understand and use more interpretive ideas as the story goes on, then towards the end it will revert more towards these descriptions. Basically it starts low, gets higher, then gets low again.
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    Post by ViralEnsign_ Sat May 19, 2012 1:13 am

    While thats a unique idea you are limiting yourself to s very small target audience. most people wont bother trying to understand it. (Not a criticism)

    Who are you targeting with this book because while writing is great when you do it for yourself you can't exclusively do what you want with a book. you have to take into account what the readers want too.
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    Post by Azran Sat May 19, 2012 2:49 am

    He can do whatever he wants; it's his work. silly
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    Post by Tolvo Sat May 19, 2012 7:41 am

    No you are right, but the intent isn't to try and reach a large audience. My stories are art pieces and are created as experiments and expressions of myself. I don't ever plan to really be a famous author because that's an incredibly lucky thing to become, as well my styles are not capable of reaching commercial success. I create these to make things that are interesting and can cause others to think a bit more and question things, but only the few who actually understand the pieces or give them a chance. Average Joe on the street would never read anything like this.
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    Post by DoughGuy Sat May 19, 2012 8:20 am

    My drafts of the prologue. In the second I rewrote the beginning and removed the coughs.
    Spoiler:
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    Post by ViralEnsign_ Sun May 20, 2012 6:55 am

    I know you are right Azran but still you do have to take into account who you are writing for. Its part of knowing how you will write the story and how it will develop.

    You wouldnt put the grusome execution of Mr Snugglekings the friendly lion into a 3yr old childrens book then follow it up with the economic repercussions of his death on the people of Fantasia would you? (not being agreesive of sarcastic here not matter how bad it sounds)

    Also Dough who is your story targeting? I like the dialoguing your have done! Its good interesting stuff.
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    Post by Azran Sun May 20, 2012 6:00 pm

    Of course you gotta keep in mind your target audience. What I meant was not that, I was trying to say a writer shouldn't be forced to switch things in his book only to sell more. Like
    - "Yeah, the story sounds cool. But make the protagonist a vampire teenager."
    - "But he's a normal teenager."
    - "I know, but vampire stuff sells a lot more!"

    Broad exaggeration, of course.
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    Post by DoughGuy Sun May 20, 2012 7:37 pm

    I guess it would be targeting teens that enjoy fantasy although the way the plot is Satanists will probably get a kick out of it. It depends how in depth go with the level of writing.
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    Post by ViralEnsign_ Sun May 20, 2012 9:44 pm

    Sweet. I only say this because I could write hundreds of really poor quality stories that come out of my head on a daily basis but unless I change it so that it was somewhat more popular then I'd end up having hordes of super strong soldiers fighting in a fanatsy setting and punching one another through brick walls.

    I want to avoid this. Except in The Inheritor's Will wherein Thane's hand becomes that of a Wyrm and he can punch people through brick walls.

    MMMMM Thane Talonhand!
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    Post by DoughGuy Sun May 20, 2012 11:03 pm

    lol. Also thanks for saying the dialogue was good. Dialogue is probably my weakest point, I have real trouble writing a conversation generally.
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    Post by Azran Sun May 20, 2012 11:12 pm

    Wait, Satanists? Am I missing some word ethymology here?

    I'll be posting something soon, by the way.
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    Post by DoughGuy Sun May 20, 2012 11:16 pm

    lol no but if you read the plot you'll see how most of the story revolves around killing the god of the world.
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    Post by ViralEnsign_ Mon May 21, 2012 5:55 am

    Hmmm I'll throw down a small section of my Zombie Serial Book.

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    This was my pilot attempt at the series. In reality Leon (and not the Leon from Resident Evil, I didnt realise that until later, he is not renamed Nathan in the version), is finaly able to escape a self imposed exile after he locks himself in his neighbours storm shelter. Give the food supplies and difficult to find entrance he escapes the worst of it, though he did see his sister and nephews turn at te preschool where he was to be picking them up after he returned to location TBA from overseas.

    After which he has to escape the town now inhabited by a post apocalyptic cult by sneaking into a police station with a few other surviving convicts. Make his way to the nearby city. gets captured by Holland and the crew, saves Rias from a dangerous pinch, and becomes de facto leader when HOlland dies during an ill fated patrol.
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    Post by Tolvo Mon May 21, 2012 9:05 pm

    Would someone like for me to post some resources? Maybe if someone wants to they can add them to the OP.
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    Post by DoughGuy Mon May 21, 2012 9:14 pm

    Seems like a good idea.
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    Post by Tolvo Mon May 21, 2012 9:20 pm

    Here are a few Mary Sue tests, as well as Articles that can help in character building, creating a story, world, and making sure you don't make cliche or offensive mistakes in your writing. Now before you read through these understand none of these are personal shots at people, if you're character you are creating ends up high on the sue scale it's not a personal attack. This is just a tool like our characters are, it's purpose is to help you improve your writing skill. If you are just looking to have fun and don't care about the quality of writing, these tools are useless to you. As well if you lie about your character and incorrectly fill them out, don't bother as you aren't using the tool as intended. Please read the rules when filling the test out so that you don't end up making your character appear something they are not, if you aren't satisfied with your result you can always take it again. You might have made a mistake somewhere and ended up giving yourself too high of a score, so don't merely delete one if you end up a 60, retake it.

    Mary Sue Race Test

    Mary Sue Character Test

    How to Write Better Villains

    Questions to Ask Yourself when Creating a Character

    Fairytale Cliches

    Offensive Mistakes Part 1

    Offensive Mistakes Part 2

    Offensive Mistakes Part 3

    I figured I'd also do a few examples, such as a weak and strong character.

    First I'll set up a little character sheet then fill it out.

    Name -
    Age -
    Race -
    Appearance -
    Personality -
    Background -

    EXAMPLES

    Name - Ichigo
    Age - 1,200 but looks 17
    Race - Neko
    Appearance - Ichigo is a good looking man with a thin but muscular body, he appears much younger than he actually is and has white hair with white cat ears on his head.
    Personality - Ichigo is closed off and seclusive but cares a lot for others and always fights for what he believes in.
    Background - Ichigo was an orphan raised by humans as his parents were never known, just that they left a lot of money for Ichigo. As such he's always had a lot of money to spend and dress well. He found out he had special powers when he finally grew his cat ears revealing to him he was a Neko.
    Score - 48

    Name - Michael
    Age - 27
    Race - Human
    Appearance - Mike is a man with a bit of stubble and long hair, he's a bit on the chunky side and has brown hair and glasses. He has a mole on his jaw line causing shaving to be a bit bothersome, and is why he doesn't all too often.
    Personality - Mike is a shy person who seeks to be more open. He'll often try and talk with new people but he'll often be awkward and have little to bring to a conversation. His hearts in a good place but he's a bit prone to mistakes and doesn't have too great of an understanding of social standards. He has a circular scar on his left knee.
    Background - Mike was raised in midwestern America and attended schooling up to his second year in college. He managed to pass and has a degree in art. This got him very little room in the world however, so now he works at a large store in his home town where he is trying to get a promotion to the manager position. Often he sticks to the electrical appliances though and finds little time for a social life. Instead he tends to read fantasy novels and check out internet forums.
    Score - 14

    Think of it like golf, with 20 being a good score, 25 an average, and 30 a below average.
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    Post by ViralEnsign_ Tue May 22, 2012 4:28 am

    So if I said that

    Name: Nathan Cross

    Age:23

    Race: Human

    Appearance- Nathan is a tall, stringy man in his early twenties with thick eyes brows over piercing blue eyes under an messy mane of medium length black hair. He lean and reasonably atheletic he has a family history of cancer and diabeties which leads him to try to stay healthy.

    Personality- Nathan is a thoughtful kind of man, shy around those he doesn't know to well though extremely active and open around those he does. He prefers to be spoken to first before offering any of his own informantion though tends to get awkward when asking about other people as he doesnt want to overstep his bounds. However through out the story he becomes more confident with his crew and begins to ask questions more often. He left his home at the age of 17 after a conflict with his father turned into a physical incident which put him in hospital. Due to his desire to continue study in the field of cultures and language he joined the Navy (this is sci fi so it happens the navy is space related) and served as a marine during the most recent Skarian rebellions.

    I'm still unclear but could you attempt to break down the cliche o meter for me. Just point out the major issues.
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    Post by DoughGuy Tue May 22, 2012 4:32 am

    Did you answer the test in the second link?
    EDIT: The angels in Iconoclasts got a 9.
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    Post by ViralEnsign_ Tue May 22, 2012 5:04 am

    I'm writing a serial so my character is partially idealised in a sense. not how I'd normally make a character.

    Lol that test was interesting. Nate scored 35 but I feel as if some of the questions were to extreme.

    Adys scored 13 yay unique!
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    Post by DoughGuy Tue May 22, 2012 5:08 am

    I should do Joel, he's the only character who i really have down. But its so long.
    EDIT: Joel got a 19 but I dont think the questions really work for a hardcore religious bounty hunter in a harsh world where he is the bad guy.

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