Is dead angling an exploit?

Sentiel wrote:As for the Asylum Demon and Havel. The reason you can't block it is that your shields Stability plus your Stamina are not enough to block the attack and thus it will pancake you. This works in PvP as well. If you simply can't block the attack, even with full Stamina, it will ignore your block and damage you anyway. Try it with End 40 nad Havel's Shield and see what gets through that.

Forum Pirate wrote:We can't make a "realism" argument with dead angles because then we'd half to make a realism argument about everything.

Sentiel wrote:...DB, which is easily punished by roll BS even with a Mid Roll.

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I almost always midroll and I used to carry a crest shield for all the dark magic users.  Then I realized I was dodging all the casts and now I use the dragon crest or black knight to block combustion spells (which are extremely hard to dodge considering their often ridiculous phantom range).  It sounds like we both get really bad lag, but I rarely have problems dodging magic.  However, you'll never catch me trying to BS dark bead even with fast roll.  I don't think DB is necessarily OP anymore, but I think it just has too much going for it.  Low stat requirements, damage, poise-break, range, number of casts, it doesn't go over heads like CSS and of course... cast speed.  I think for many people the main use for DB is to bait a BS attempt and then 1-shot you.  How are you BSing people who spam DB, at all -- let alone midroll?  I mean... I'm sure it's possible, but can you execute it a high enough percentage of time to where it's worth risking a lagged out 1-shot?

Sentiel wrote:When fighting a spell caster, I always keep a medium distance to not get shot by DB point blank. If the caster suddenly closes in on me, he wants to use DB. That's my cue to prepare a roll and as soon as he gets close I do a roll. Usually I get hit by one bead, which does little damage, especially when compared to the bs he's just receiving.
It's very risky, but since you can't block and Mid Roll is punishable by another fast DB, you don't have much of a choice.

Forum Pirate wrote:The scythe doesn't go aroun shields because of the blade, else it would be impossible to block most of the time.

 If the halberd had the same running r1, it would dead angle the same way with it, though not as well.It does the same thing with its r2s.

Its that you're facing away from them and hitting them while they're behind you because of the length of the hitbox. I you'll notice, it works best at an angle instead of straight ahead, because if they're facing exactly the opposide direction of you then the attack is going the same direction their shield is facing and so they can block.

Forum Pirate wrote:rolling into wdb is a bad idea, just for the record.

Forum Pirate wrote:I didn't say it can't be done, but the timing is fairly exact. A connection hiccup and you eat 900 damage.

Forum Pirate wrote:oh, were you talking about dark beed? I was talking about white dragon breath.

Forward or too the side are the only ways to dodge db. They still shouldn't be locked on though, they should be casting at your feet so you'll take a hit if you try.